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Storm Hunter
11-22-2010, 11:09 AM
Capitalism sucks.
Democracy is a Wimps way out.
Communism...ok its all right...but was all talk.

I propose a new world order. Were laws are defined, not by what is in an individual's best interest, but is in the best interest of the group.

Just let this soak in for a second: What if all businesses worked in rivalries instead of competitions? What if every job was apart of a guild of other jobs? What if everyone's paycheck came from the same place?

What if...? You catch my drift?

What if your work is watched by your employer, who, every week, month, and/or year, files in a work summary of the entire business's efforts. That file is then collected, along with other business's files, by a Guild Representative, who sends them to the Guild Master, who sends them to the President (For better words). The President(?) then distributes everyone's pay, which is then, returned and checked back down the cycle. This pay would then be collected by you. If an employee has a complaint about their work-payment ratio, they can make a complaint to a senior officer and if they agree, they can deduct it from the individual who made the mistake.

All tax deductions would be decided before the pay was first distributed, and factors such as home, food, and public safety (including Medicare), would be payed for by the Government. Food would be paid for with food stamps pre-distributed along with paychecks.

Businesses would be separated into four classes: Industrial, Market, Agricultural, and Academic. Industrial work would include construction, engineering, manufacturing, etc. Market work would include Selling and Shipping Goods, trading, etc. Agricultural work would be farming and raising Animals. And Academic work would include teaching, politics, scientific fields, art, etc.

Entrepreneurship would belong separately, but it would do good to have a guild from your field of work backing you up, or you won't get very far.

Because businesses are payed because or work effort, unhealthy competitions that result in useless produces will become extinct.

Laws will be made through public opinion, following the Athenian Democratic style of having every citizen voting on a single law. Of course, due to the fact that some laws will require more experienced decisions (including war, taxes, etc.), Politicians will still be needed, but control will be spread out more. The will be, in a since, more than one President. One dealing with Financial problems, including the distribution of guilds and paychecks. One controlling the police and army. One setting regulations on food and health. One being the final say on Laws and representing the Law Writers.

By having a person run through a non-religious version of China's Mandate of Heaven. A Politician must constantly work to gain the people's trust, or face the wrath of a rival Politician. Also, because elections for each will be separate, there is no Politician with more say over the country's state of being.

skinnbones
11-22-2010, 12:24 PM
so, you want a payment system in which your paycheck could be effected because one asshole manager gives you a bad report? you're trying to make people work objectively, and they dont. this is a system that relies on people not being assholes and petty dickwads.

Storm Hunter
11-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Edit is added. now look.

skinnbones
11-22-2010, 12:59 PM
so now employees can be malicious and steal money from a manager if they manage to convince someone that the manager was trying to screw them? now lazy assholes can steal money from hard working managers. and dont say that wouldnt happen, if someone can get money from mcdonalds for burning their hand on coffee, someone can convince a senior officer that their manager was trying to screw them and not giving a deserving score.

for saying that it's all about the whole, you leave way more opportunities for individuals to make out.

Forty-Two
11-22-2010, 01:00 PM
I wanna be the President for Financial topics. I'd make lots of money.

No seriously: This system ain't gonna work anytime soon. Devise a system as much as you like and as well as you like. Give it to actual human beings and see it crushed. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
And btw: Athenian system with the world population as it is? The sheer mass of information collection and distribution wouldn't work. Let alone people don't have enough time on their hands to deal with politics all the time. Athen worked 'cause for every free man there were ten slaves doing the actual work.

Storm Hunter
11-22-2010, 01:40 PM
I wanna be the President for Financial topics. I'd make lots of money.

No seriously: This system ain't gonna work anytime soon. Devise a system as much as you like and as well as you like. Give it to actual human beings and see it crushed. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
And btw: Athenian system with the world population as it is? The sheer mass of information collection and distribution wouldn't work. Let alone people don't have enough time on their hands to deal with politics all the time. Athen worked 'cause for every free man there were ten slaves doing the actual work.

You won't make lots of money by being in charge of finance. You're basically an accountant.

I never said laws would be made in a day. They would give it a week, and collect the tallied votes. If it doesn't look like a sufficient number of people voted, then they'll count the votes and leave it out for another week.

Storm Hunter
11-22-2010, 01:44 PM
so now employees can be malicious and steal money from a manager if they manage to convince someone that the manager was trying to screw them? now lazy assholes can steal money from hard working managers. and dont say that wouldnt happen, if someone can get money from mcdonalds for burning their hand on coffee, someone can convince a senior officer that their manager was trying to screw them and not giving a deserving score.

for saying that it's all about the whole, you leave way more opportunities for individuals to make out.

The manager can't just be convinced. You need to have your work log checked over, and if what you say doesn't check out with that, then you're out of luck. Both your work load and work schedule must work out. If you say you worked this long and hard, then you must have the data saying so. If you say you printed five copies, yet there are only two documented, then those three don't count.

skinnbones
11-22-2010, 02:02 PM
how hard you worked is subjective. it cant be measured and logged without a human giving their say on what constitutes "hard". your point is invalid.

Forty-Two
11-23-2010, 11:44 AM
You won't make lots of money by being in charge of finance. You're basically an accountant.

I never said laws would be made in a day. They would give it a week, and collect the tallied votes. If it doesn't look like a sufficient number of people voted, then they'll count the votes and leave it out for another week.

Accountants are those who account for what money's there and what money goes where. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? If I'm the king of the hill in that department, I can decide where the money goes.

PokemonFan
12-01-2010, 04:06 PM
Don't worry Storm. I like this idea myself.

Seawolf
12-10-2010, 09:55 AM
OK so I would want to say great idea but yeah...can't. First off it seems you thought this up one night while drinking and thought this would solve the worlds problems.

Getting rid of competition in the industrial market will only weaken the economy and thus weaken the country. You have to have some form of reward/risk in there or nothing will advance. If a person knows that if they do a job at the lowest level of effort possible still getting paid the same amount of money,they will be lazy and just get by. Communism is a miracle system...on paper. It relies on the good in people. That each man will do his fair share of work and only get what he deserves. Capitalism works realistically because it relies on the bad in people. Each man will fight his way to the top, thus forcing the weaker people out or to the bottom.
What you are suggesting would not work in this modern world. Though we may consider someone an idiot, they are smarter than the average person in the ancient world. Also your method of everyone voting on laws and such is a form of democracy...and as you said its for wimps.

Congrats on trying to think up some way to fix the world, but these ideas have been thought up already and tried to been implemented. You have to understand that this is how the world is and it wont change in none night, a week or even a year. It will take years maybe decades to change how the world operates now.