think global warmin a threat?

[saniya]

well thought to ask how many ppl for it and against...

[Aeonsky]

A huge threat, kinda obvious. But still, I'm not surprised if we will be living on Mars in 50 years. XD

[rasenshuriken]

Of Course!!! Didnt You Watch An Inconvenient Truth?!!?!?!?!

[Aeonsky]

Of Course!!! Didnt You Watch An Inconvenient Truth?!!?!?!?!

Well, that movie had a LOT of holes in it. But still, he does make some kind of a point.

[aznkangaroo3]

At THIS point in time, it won't make much of a different. In later generations it will have a greater impact. But I'm pretty sure I'll be dead by then ^^. I try not to think about bad things so much. IDK, maybe as time progresses, we will develop technology that will counter global warming. Besides, the ozone is always restoring itself. It's just that the rate of CFCs in the atmosphere is greater than the rate of the restoration. These movies that are coming out are really overdramatic...

[Babyface]

mawhahahaha now here's a topic i could go on for hours and hours, thank you degree choice.....but i won't until the topic itself kinda hots up but i will state a few things,

one: al gore is a politician though and though so i wuldn't listen to everything he says and at least take it with a pinch of salt, though i will say that the inconvenient truth has risen awareness to the affect we are having on the environment, it one and only (in my opinion) good point,

two: second is that climate change is not something that has just happened, it has been going on in cycles for millennium after millennium and we are just getting to the point in this glaciation cycle where the temperatures are starting to rise, yes we are having an impact on the rise in temperature, but it has risen at rates like this before (such evidence can be seen in ice cores, pollen data and other such evidence).

and third my personal opinion: looking at data that has been collected around the world i do not think that we should be global warming in such a bad light, it is a natural process nothing we do is gonna change that or stop it. Worse things are happening to the environment, such things as holes in the ozone, which have (bit cynical here) been mostly ignored in most newpapers in favour of the big thing global warming. now ozone layer holes are not a naturally occuring thing and should have more people worried than it has, also other such problem i think should be covered like the destruction of the environment that is happening all over the way due to basic neglect and callus human behaviour.

but thats all i can be bothered to post right now ill post more later on

[rasenshuriken]

hmmm yeah i kinda agree with babyface

but i think that this global warming was caused by us, (as well as cows for farting so much.XP)
from us polluting and deforesting and all that crap


i dont really think its possible to stop global warming right now though because the oceans are already fairly warm, so it would take a whole lot of time for them to cool...
think about it this way...
a small bowl of soup that is hot at the moment, takes about 10 minutes to cool off to a less warm temperature...
if you replace that small bowl of soup with the worlds oceans (millions of times larger) then it would at least take a couple thousand years just to cool down a few degrees.
so even if we stopped global warming as it is right now...the temperature of the oceans would still stay that way for many years.

its just what i think about it

[midorika]

Global warming is a HUGE threat. And man, I haven't get to watch Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth...

[Babyface]

well in response to rasen's point about the oceans being to warm that's not what you gonna have to worry about its gonna be the cooling effect on the oceans that's gonna be the problem,

i can see where your coming from rasen, but thats not really the problem, global warming is causing the ice caps to melt, now i hate to quote this (i despise this movie) but the day after tommorrow had it right, even if helicopter falling outta the sky due to a quick chill is never gonna happen. Now the ice caps are fresh water much the same as the increase melt water in rivers leading to the rivers is having an effect, as this melt water moves into the ocean the salinity (concentration of salt) of the oceans is going to decrease and this is going to have a huge effect on currents in the ocean (which rely on balance in the oceans salinity), so much so that the could shut down cause huge changes in global weather pattens and would cause massive global chills bringing us into the next ice age.

So if the temperature continues to rise more and more ice is gonna melt, so you then could use the analogy that the earth is just gonna press the reset button and bring us all back into a iceage.

[Aeonsky]

Many of you said that we can't do anything right now because it will not have an immediate effect. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and do something about it.

[vio]

Ugh, global warming is a threat no matter how you lok at it, at this rate it will have an affect on humans (if we are still living in the same way 'x' number of years on). We may or may not be the cause for the warming but that doesnt mean global warming is not gonna bother us because we're not causing it. Either way at the end of all the theorys and the calculations to deduce the rate of temperature increase we will still be left with the absoloute fact that global warming will eventually screw us over unless it magically stops. I think its pretty fair

[Babyface]

now im not saying that we cannot do anything to stop global warming im just saying that there are other things that we should focus on such as, marine habitat loss, global deforestation and human impact on the environment just to name a few, certainly some of the activities are contributing to global warming but not the amount that it is making a drastically huge impact on it also, there seems to be this notion that global warming can be stopped or that it will disappear, this will not happen global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon you might as well try and stop the tides coming in and out, nothing we will do is gonna completely stop global warming happening

[Katsuomori]

Yeah, it is and clearly it is. I could clearly see the first effects happening around us. Unpredicable weather, ice caps melting fast, shifts in climate ant etc.

[Seijuro]

As much as global warming is a crisis that should be solved. we as a world are consumer. we use and we waste. so to actually sovle global warming how many people do you know that would give up say driving to work every single day. Or just those basic things. Do you know a lot of people who compost compared to just through stuff out. there are thousands of things we would have to give up to actual sovle global warming. I know this sound really sci fi but. I think we should start looking for habital planets beyond our solar system. A big part of global warming is we need a resource to run our cars our homes our everything. A resource that is efficient and non polluting.

[wsnnwa]

Our teacher last year made us watch the movie....only part i liked was the futurama part lol...


But yea i think its a serius threat...or we will have underwater cities soon and call someone aquaman.

[Flonne]

Nooo I don't want to be a merfolk ><<

[Wolf]

Global Warming is only a threat because the human race, as a whole, is retarded. We do not want to give up on our luxuries or spend the time, effort, or money into researching and putting into action the solutions to the problem. It is the consumption of fossil fuels that is releasing green house gases, mainly CO2, into the atmosphere. The easy road to stopping the addition of these gases is to switch over to energy efficient alternatives. The problem is weening the global population off of fossil fuel powered machinery. Oh and how about the currently high levels of green house gases in the atmosphere? Plant more trees, nuff said. The problem with that is lack of space we have left to expand on this planet. So unless we go ahead and X off a billion or two people, we're screwed in the future.

[Flonne]

Thats why theres World War 3 planned ahead possibly to cut down human populations. It might sound like a sick comment but I can't help but feel some country and its government is just aching to start a fight with one another. Aside from my comments

Is there a way for the arctic to regain it's lost ice?? They said on national geo that the possibility is near 0.3% chances of it happening. Is this true?

[Wolf]

Well when you think of it logically, the ice caps are freshwater, and as they melt it diffuses in with the salt water in the oceans. Saltwater freezes at a much lower temperature because of the diffused NaCl molecules in there. If the climate sent itself into a another ice age then we'll have pkenty of ice at hte poles =D. Scientists just can't make up their minds. They interpret the same data and come up with completely conflicting hypotheses.

[Babyface]

Wolf what your forgetting is what will happen to the salinity of the oceans when freshwater form the ice caps. It will decrease and therefore as ive already stated in my previous posts as the salinity of the oceans decrease currents will shut down. Now the weather system of the planet relies on these currents and if they shut down then the earth will in all likelihood be thrust into another ice age. It has nothing to do with the difference in melting temperature of salt and fresh water.

[rasenshuriken]

screw the us government (im not saying the country, just the government),
they're not helping with global warming at all because they dont want to freakin trash their goddanmed economy even though they're probably the country that's contributing most to all the gas emmisions. they should at least shut down a few factories or mines or something... danm pollutive 20th century technology -.-

[Wolf]

Actually I wasn't describing the factors that contribute to the onset of another ice age but merely pointing out that another ice age cycle would replenish the polar ice caps and the ice caps would not reform soon enough under normal weather conditions primarily because the addition of salt water lowers the temperature at which it freezes. That is not to say that the normal evaporation cycle couldn't regulate itself and replenish the ice caps but it would take a really long freakin' time.

I could care less about the Gulf Stream circulation because the ice caps would have to almost completely melt in order to dump enough fresh water into the oceans to disrupt the cycle and cause the cooling effect. The rate at which the polar ice caps are melting leaves plenty of wiggle room for the planet to stabilize on its own. We just have to help it along by using all the lovely methods I described in my first post. Either way we look at the picture, our planet is going to eventually fry or freeze. We can do nothing but postpone it a little longer by cleaning up our act.

[chrono]

well thought to ask how many ppl for it and against...

Is it a threat?

NOPE!

Are the people behind it a threat?

OH HELL YEAH!!!!! A bunch of hypocritical "Robin Hoods".


AGW - aka Global Warming - is as made up as the 1970's warning of an "New ICE AGE" was. But what is really bad about it is that the basic science is being twisted. The CO2 issue isn't even 10% as big as they play it up to be. CO2 only blocks a few percentage of infrared heat that is transmitted back into space. Even at 100% concentrations it only blocks out a few percent at maximum.

The Arctic may have shrunk 25%, but the Antarctic has grown close to 11%. So we know where quite abit of that shrinkage went. ((BTW, the arctic has shrunk before and it's size change hasn't been confirmed as either a sign of AGW or a natural cycle.))

To further debunk the CO2 myth. It's been found that increased cloud coverage by both pollution and airplane flight induced 'fake' clouds have decreased the amount of water evaporation (via reduced temperature swings), which is proven by the temperatures swings take during the Mt. Saint Helens eruption in the 1980's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/
http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/RobockMassMSHScience628.pdf

[Katsuomori]

Just reading the Gaia Theory... the world is heading to the ice age... but in a slow pace... but right now... the increase in CO2 and polutents that contribute to the global warming only accelerates the coming of the ice age.

[penguinism]

mmm not ice age, ice age things would be getting colder...the earth at one point was like 90% water and no polar ice caps, THATS the stage of the earths cycle were heading to now...true "global warming" may be speed up by polution, simply stopping our way of life wont cause it to not happen either

[Nikku]

When i was a child, i used to get at least one day of snow around christmas. Since the millenium.....im lucky if i get frost. Things have changed....and there's no reason why we shouldn't try and be more environmnetally friendly.

[saniya]

wao nice job ppl!:P um well i am actually for the topic to the point where
this problem exists naturally tht is a fact but to increase the process shortens the time spans of our lives and causes us regret only when we are diein..but this a little dramaic way of sayin it...i appreciated the links for info tht was enlightning but carbon is hazardous to health see it any way humans creation always have their bad effects..naturally u dont see a smog of smoke above ur head like in the asian countries tht problem occurs alot look at china now..another point is tht ozone layer havin a hole was a big
deal noticed by ppl at the current time but the issue wasnt made tht big for the ppl to get worried since most ppl didnt know what tht really meant...and this issue is very related to global warmin,dimmin,climate change etc and if looked more closely u can see ,tht because of them the ozone layer becomes thinner and thinner until there is no ozone but thts why CFcs have been stopped and cannot be produce except in few countries um plus the fact tht ozone always had a hole due to natural causes is also true but for now its not tht a big deal but it can be if the emission of any newer gas starts to disturb the ozone,when the researcher couldnt catch their attentions through tht they started off wid the followin topics makein ppl
aware n by this dicussion i can see many are aware so they have done a gud job:)but have to work alittle harder:)um i know tht most of dont agree
on alot but i would like to conclude tht we agree at some points tht if causin us harm we take action hope we take action before there is too much to care for...
um abt al gores movie hehe yea baby ur rite its not tht appropriate i agree being a politician i wouldnt be listenin to him but did u see his documentary it was well planned and had alot of facts puttin politics aside it was enlightnin and yea hes not the only one who made tht documentary he was just the member goin around discussin it the real work was done by U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel n if u check they just won the peace prize 2007 due to the documentary:)um oki u think i am like a fan of al gore but thts not quite and i think the point of the movie was exposure thts wat tht movie did i think he was successful in tht but i hope it does help in improvin the enviornment(not his political image) and the ppls: point of view abt pollution etc....
oki since this topic started i will start the next topic on politics:P

[HurricaneRoad]

there are some scientists that believe that when the nord and southpole melts the streams of hot water/air will freeze too so they meen when that happens we will land in an ice age again :S

[Sean_Hiruki]

mawhahahaha now here's a topic i could go on for hours and hours, thank you degree choice.....but i won't until the topic itself kinda hots up but i will state a few things,

one: al gore is a politician though and though so i wuldn't listen to everything he says and at least take it with a pinch of salt, though i will say that the inconvenient truth has risen awareness to the affect we are having on the environment, it one and only (in my opinion) good point,

two: second is that climate change is not something that has just happened, it has been going on in cycles for millennium after millennium and we are just getting to the point in this glaciation cycle where the temperatures are starting to rise, yes we are having an impact on the rise in temperature, but it has risen at rates like this before (such evidence can be seen in ice cores, pollen data and other such evidence).

and third my personal opinion: looking at data that has been collected around the world i do not think that we should be global warming in such a bad light, it is a natural process nothing we do is gonna change that or stop it. Worse things are happening to the environment, such things as holes in the ozone, which have (bit cynical here) been mostly ignored in most newpapers in favour of the big thing global warming. now ozone layer holes are not a naturally occuring thing and should have more people worried than it has, also other such problem i think should be covered like the destruction of the environment that is happening all over the way due to basic neglect and callus human behaviour.

but thats all i can be bothered to post right now ill post more later on


You Know, I Was gonna post this exact same thing, but I was beaten to the punch, it seems.

Whatever, man. I am agreeing with what Babyface said.

And I'd like to add:
Funny how you never see Gore in the Winter, huh?

But I don't agree with that comment about 'Truth'
I don't think we are even having an effect on the envirenment.
If you think about it, We Humans have only been around or a blink of an eye, and our Populace is small compaired to other mammals. We havent been around long enough to have an effect.

[Carapheonix]

I completely believe in global warming, and people need to realize that if something happens and it just gets worse because of something we start doing, global warming can start a lot sooner. Even if it doesn't they also need to realize that it does effect them because even if it's several generations from now, your family will be going through it. Do you really want that to happen to them? I guess it's just something for those people to question....

[Nikku]

Anyone else sick and tired of the 'environmental' adverts on television? I agree that regardless of our effect on global warming, it wouldn't hurt to do our best to prevent it. However seeing every other advert (I'm remembering a BMW one at the moment that says thank you to gravity ¬_¬ ) claim to be 'green' just because it's cool at the moment annoys me.

[Tanbird]

Well with this entire thing if you look at the past there have been times when the Co2 levels have been 5 times as high as they were at the start of the oil boom. so we still have a ways to go. plus if you think about it the earth will reset itself like it always has. But hey it wouldn't hurt if we broke ourselves from this oil addiction. I mean the oil companies have free reign, they can do whatever whenever. The oil companies have solutions to this, but they let their greed get in the way of their judgment. They have this mentality " If I'm gonna be dead by the time this happens it isn't my fault." It's all about the now with them not the future generations. they're arrogant and we're just fueling their ego's.

[BlueJ]

I think that it's a pretty big threat, but we already screwed it up so much that it is too late for us now, best start migrating to mars ASAP

[thenecessity]

in terms of the earth itself, it isnt a threat. i believe it is just natural. the earth has cycles that involve the increase of CO2 levels. and then an ice age comes and everything resets.

as for us humans, it obviouslly is a threat to our existence. but do we really have a right to try and prevent it? to me it seems like people who are trying to prevent this are just trying to play god. All we can do is just come up with new technology to allow us to live during it. that is just another form of adaptation. but outright preventing it from happening is not something we should do. we have sped up the process but if it happens it happens. we cannot try to control this planet, just live with it and allow it to do whatever natural processes it does. if we try to control it, we will end up destroying everything that made this planet so attractive to us.

[Hyvortonis]

A few things I would like to point out about global warming. Ok

First off, the ones who say that globe going through a process of climate change as it did since beginning of itself. Is very correct.

Also would like to point out a fact for all of you:

We have satellites analyzing Mars' Ozone. It is going through an identical effect as the earth.

So, logically speaking in terms of how much a world of people matter to it effecting the climate. I think is very little. Like 0.00001% at the most.
(This is of course knowing that mars is uninhabited by any life at all.)

Mars going through the same Ozone effects also suggest that. Global process of the ozone decreasing or increasing is solar and very much to do with the planet's around earth and the earth's revolution around the sun and the gravitational fields that is increasing or decreasing as the solar system moves. You see, physics can prove quite effective in changing the environment, especially when you deal with masses as large as planets. And don't take gravitational / magnetic forces lightly when dealing with temperature. it can mean the difference of pressure changes in the atmosphere.

Now the real question is. Are you planet size to effect the earth?

I don't know what meteorologists are doing, but I suspect, their wallets are bigger for the better political impact that they create on worrying so many people with a little lack of correct information.


Thank you for reading.

[Ikki2107]

Yes it is because of global warming the polar melts causing a upset in salt levels in the sea causing worst hurricans. also the execces carbon dioxide is causing the process to speed up while also heating the earth. truley the adults really messed uped the kids futres lol including mines and im only 16 lol.

[burnedalive]

:p refer to my posts in the climate vs. population thread.

[Minox2109]

the rise in temperature i think will be a threat but the water lvl rising isnt... the thing is the complicated nature of water... its nature allows water to take up more room when it is frozen then when it is in liquid form... the ice tht is on top of the water will melt but this water will be used to fill up the spaces created by the ice tht has turned to water.... so the theory is tht the water lvl will not rise because the amount of water tht is created from the ice will take up similar spaces...

[kakash ichigo]

Global Warming, is over Publicized by Mass Media.....

1st. Yes the earth is getting hotter.

2nd. The Glaciers are getting shorter but are actually growing in heights.

3rdd. It could just be, humans have not been around long enough to know the earths cycle, we just came out of an ice age, the Earth could have always been Warmer.

4th. The sun changes it Poles meaning North is actually South and South is actually North, it does this every 11 years, so it takes 22years to get back to normal. During the change where the poles are switched the Sun get things things on it called Sun Spot. Sun Spots are extremely hot parts on the sun. This meaning that for a 11years the sun is very active and another 11years the sun is inactive. This has also been seen on other Planets. Meaning the Earth could be going through the same effect, and since humans have not been around to long, we do not know the Earths pattern.

[Simca'sLeftBoob]

I personally hate the "save the enviroment" comericals on t.v. Its a mask used to cover-up problems in the world that need to be addressed first but are instead thrown under the rug so developed country's governments and other political powers can deceived it's people. So many other things are more important then gobal warming since it and ice ages are one of earths natural ways of balancing its enviromental equilibrium.
Important things such as world population. One could argue that population problems and global warming might go hand in hand, that might be true since one does have an effect on the other but population contribes to more problems globally then that of global warming therfor in my opinion making it higher on the prioity list.
-Food shortage
-Pollution
-War
Over population can also be blamed for the faster spread of disease and reamrging of diseases long treminated. Now these diseases could easily take care of the over population problems but no, people have to go and get medicine and stop it before the problem can be solved. I've completely stopped taking medicine for that exact reason. It can be blamed for higher murder rates and soon it will be blamed for shorter life expectancies. Why? Because more humans equals more stress and a stressful life is naturally shorter. A comfortable lifestyle for humans can only go on for so long before we wake-up one morning and theres people laying on the our streets crying because they've lost their job due to heavy compitition and don't have any food because only the rich can afford to buy the slowly dwindelling supply.
I truely believe that unless about 3 billion of us die, either through natural selection or something else the world is in deep shit. No matter how much we recycle or plant trees, i can't see things getting better unless something is done about the population.
I propuse putting a law into play the limits the amount of childern one house hold can have. This limit would consist of two childern per-couple, one to replace each parent and nothing more. If a woman becomes pregnant after her second child is born, its straight to the abortion clinic for her. If a child is born after the second child in the family is born the family will be fined. Simple as that. Again though no government would dare propuse something so uncaring and it would go against pretty much every human right in the book. But really what else is there to do? No one would ever say anything like that and so instead of trying to fix the problem, which i can garantee would lead to some sort of national uproar, they throw the whole global warming bullshit at us.
I'M SICK OF IT!!!


sorry if that sounded harsh but i'm down for serious action. Human rights activists can kiss my justified as

[Gecko]

I value nature and would hate to see it be destroyed.....of course its a threat its a bit dumb to go all conspiracy theorist and not beleive in it.

[burnedalive]

I value nature and would hate to see it be destroyed.....of course its a threat its a bit dumb to go all conspiracy theorist and not beleive in it.

*cough*Says you.*cough*

[bg20102]

I agreed I think that global warming will be the end of us all we as human need to learn to live with nature and preserve the few natural resources left.
In my opinion of coursed

[rasenshuriken]

RAS HAS WATCHED THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
fuel fossils will soon all disappear and we will have to go back to using coal which there is tons and tons of. only it gives off a ton of carbodiox and that stuffs. so we has to find way to clean process of coal burningz inorder to save the urths.

[burnedalive]

RAS HAS WATCHED THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
fuel fossils will soon all disappear and we will have to go back to using coal which there is tons and tons of. only it gives off a ton of carbodiox and that stuffs. so we has to find way to clean process of coal burningz inorder to save the urths.

In like 40 years.....

[Simca'sLeftBoob]

i don't think its fake or a conspiracy i just think there are bigger fish to fry.

[kakash ichigo]

i don't think its fake or a conspiracy i just think there are bigger fish to fry.

i agree w/ u there

[Gecko]

burned alive shouldnt worry he's already been burnt but im not in the mood for becoming god kebab

[Etsuuko]

-sulks- We're all gonna dieeeeee.... T A T

[Aeonsky]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/5389278/Obamas-green-guru-calls-for-white-roofs.html?state=error#postacomment

Look at the comments. These people are trying to win in an argument against a Nobel laureate without understanding the concept or the physics behind it. So sad...

[burnedalive]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/5389278/Obamas-green-guru-calls-for-white-roofs.html?state=error#postacomment

Look at the comments. These people are trying to win in an argument against a Nobel laureate without understanding the concept or the physics behind it. So sad...

Well, the thing is....we are warming because it reflects. So says those people of the green house effect.
If we reflect even more light, isn't that worse? Maybe they are the ones who don't understand what they are saying. Sounds like a bunch of bull crap to me.

[Silverseeker]

Reflecting more light is exactly what you want to do. Think about it, any light we don't reflect is going to be held by the planet, correct? Next, normally the greenhouse effect is nice and friendly because we need the heat to not dissipate, or else we'd be an ice ball, correct? Now, if suddenly the atmosphere is retaining more heat energy, then would that not interfere with our level of heat? So logically, if the atmosphere is picking up more, then we want the ground to pick up less heat, to balance the equation. Basic math, people.
I'm still amused that England is hot though. lol

[AngelofchaosX]

Yea, global warming definitely is a threat. I don't think we can cause much more harm during our lives, but our children's children will be feeling some major change I believe.

[Hyvortonis]

For those of you who don't know history. do you remember the name of the man who first discovered Greenland?

Eric the Red.
He described in his journals about how his cows were able to feed on the green pastures of the land we call Greenland.

Now it is currently covered in Ice...

What global warming proof is there?
We have had Much hotter weather in the past.
MUCH hotter weather.
What you all don't realize, is when they say the polar ice caps are melting, they only researched the northern pole.
the Southern Pole Ice caps are actually increasing in size.

So ya, there is a balance. Do men truly effect the environment? No. Why?

Because my teacher placed it to me this way, he did a lot of research on this subject. The earth's alignment moves with the Solar system in a pattern. There are periods of that pattern where there is what we engineers call a ripple effect. Basically, when the earth moves in smooth motion around the sun eventually it turns into these rippled motions moving up and down in repetitive motions. This is also true for the galaxy and our solar system.

The temperature changes is directly related to this phenomenon. You can look at all the charts of temperate data and look at the alignments recorded by Astronomers and Solar Physicists. It is Highly related.

Every amount of research comes down to this. Proof. And pure data always shows the truth.

These ripples in space cause a lot of climatic changes which usually is directly related to the extinction of a species of animals. *Dinosaurs* also , other animal life has gone through this extinction process because they could not adapt to the environment fast enough. To be honest, Terra (Earth) is a harsh environment for any living creature.

It will always be no matter what we do. People have to come to accept that. But, the best thing to do is research space travel to a higher extent. We will soon be overpopulated and there is two things that will happen. War, or Territorial expansion. What better place to live than in Space or the Moon? It is wide open and Hydroponic Farms are Highly more efficient than the farms we have all around the globe. we can produce ten times more food in a Hydroponic environment than in a green house environment.

They already have technologies for space stations that can hold 50k people or so. But the government is more worried about squandering money or caring supposedly for our environment....pfff.. Ya, since when did ANY government truly care for anything but their cut in pay?

So, thought I should inform all of you. GL in deciding if you think your right or. Why not researching it instead of taking it for granted and having your opinion on it? Why not question in logical manners to see if what they is really true?
Because, Hitler used Propagandized methods to control people. Stay aware of what the government is doing. and Don;t take bull crap from anyone about "global warming"

It is just another panicked method to make money. you have any idea how many people are spending money to pay for this "Helping the environment" movement?

hmmm.. interesting?

http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/3944

[Silverseeker]

Okay. I'm going to give a reply soon. I'm going to warn you now that it will not be a nice and positive thank you for this contribution.

[Nikku]

@ Hyvortonis

Even if we're not effecting global warming, or even if the process is a natural occurence... I don't see why that is an excuse not to try and live greener.

If we can do use the better alternatives, we should. It could only possibly do more good, right?

[Wolf]

I agree with Nikku in that respect. The proliferation of knowledge can only help as people become ever increasingly aware of their lifestyle and the choices they have. Just because we haven't gotten a chance to blow ourselves to holy hell does not mean we don't affect our environment. The old adage goes, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

That "panicked way to make money" Hyvortonis is refering to actually has the side-effect of advancing technologies and opening markets which will help us live better regardless of ulterior motives and, I don't know, maybe even open up interest and funding towards all that other crap like space colonization and hydroponic farming. In any advancement mankind undertakes, there is always a means to capitalize on it so just get over it.

[Silverseeker]

Just an extra point, let's remember one thing, Hyvortonis. Sorry it took me so long to return the comment. This fascinating deluge of environmentalism is not just because of the government, and also, I would strongly discourage irritating levels of mistrust in governments or conspiracy theories. It tends to destroy your credibility.