Air Gear 265

[vhien]

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[Waking_Dreamer]

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OooOOoo...Mikans SHADOW....!!

A dialogue heavy chapter it seems but OMG the young SF mech biosuit chick finally gets a close up and talks...?! Nice.

I wasnt actually expecting a chapter this week at all...a pleasant surprise I must say.

[skyburner]

i think a rly interesting part is the small panel with Ume looking evil...makes you wonder what she's thinking

[AcidDaisy]

i think a rly interesting part is the small panel with Ume looking evil...makes you wonder what she's thinking

She is talking about Mikan's abilities and telling that Mikan is SF's wind rider. *Gale Road*

[Waking_Dreamer]

She is talking about Mikan's abilities and telling that Mikan is SF's wind rider. *Gale Road*

Thats interesting...a wing rider eh? I remember in a past thread people were discussing whos roads would be the other SF members..someone pointed that mikan could be a flame road rider...

Well close...shes actually wing then?

[AcidDaisy]

Well close...shes actually wing then?

Yeah, she is. It's 100%.
And there are some debates about wind vs wind. Kilik not allow Mikan go to Nike because of her road.

And... there are too many of hieroglyphs "wind" in this chapter... =__=

[Carnevil]

Summary by Suarhnir @ mangahelpers

- ringo is hesitant to go along, even with benkei reasoning it out (and showing her own resolve given what's happened to yoshi; she managed to get a broken piece of his glasses that she ties on). while ringo really wants to go, she thinks of more reasons to stay

- obama-emily talks about how the grav kids got aid from the previous president 'mosh' (i think this is the ag 'bush'). the 'mosh' family has stronger influence then the newly elected 'omaha' so he's trying to take matters into his own hands (coming out to japan and helping these teenage stormriders). he also explains that the aircraft carrier that genesis is using is the same as ttt's factory. in other words, the technology inside the factory/tower is being used on this aircraft carrier. also, comparing the old and worn factory, the technology on the ship is better, a ratio of 10 days work in the factory being done in merely 2 hours on the ship...

- ringo is still sticking with her duty as a part of sleeping forest and is going to stay. however, other ttt members bring in a hardline phone and hand it off to ringo... kiric is on the other end and he already knows that she wants to go the most, which confuses ringo at his acceptance of her going. this instantly pisses off mikan and demands that she should be able to go too if ringo is. kiric flat out denies mikan's request because she would be useless in that fight.

- mikan is getting more pissed about kiric's last comment. meanwhile, kiric continues talking with ringo and saying that kanon's actions were under his instructions and that she shouldn't blame him for attacking her (so it was kiric who planned to 'send ringo out'). mikan busts out a trick which hits everyone in the elevator. ume comments to herself at mikan's attack and the older sister's title of being the 'wind god'(fuujin) of sleeping forest, riding the "gale road" (kanji is wind burst).

- kiric rushes her and hits her with the phone receiver which immobilizes mikan for a moment (he was using the immobilizing vibration technique) and he tells her that nike will definitely be guarding the ship. he further explains that nike is a wind user just like her and would know the weakness of the wind tricks, as well as having taken the gem regalia from him. he hands mikan the phone and she's still silent when ringo is calling out to her... mikan thinks about the situation and the possible fate of ikki. she finally gives in realizing that ringo is really the only one who can help at that fight since the 'thorns' can cut apart the wind and smash the rocks (so the best road to take on nike's jade road is the sonia road?)

So this is all Kiric's plan.

[Waking_Dreamer]

Pg 24-25 merged

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb57/Jonas64/MikanSHadow.png

[Shuffleness]

I didn't know that Sonia Road was that strong....I knew it could cut through the wind, but smash rocks!? WoAH O_O The sora bros are definitely gonna try and take her out now that they have the chance. Then again Ikki is there, oh my Thorn Queen & Hurricane King vs Gem King & Wind King... EPIC!

[Carnevil]

I didn't know that Sonia Road was that strong....I knew it could cut through the wind, but smash rocks!? WoAH O_O The sora bros are definitely gonna try and take her out now that they have the chance. Then again Ikki is there, oh my Thorn Queen & Hurricane King vs Gem King & Wind King... EPIC!

All Ikki has to do is throw up his Storm and it cuts Nike's defenses in half. With Nike unable to use his wind abilities Ringo could cut his ass in half.

[tornadoking]

I didn't know that Sonia Road was that strong....I knew it could cut through the wind, but smash rocks!? WoAH O_O The sora bros are definitely gonna try and take her out now that they have the chance. Then again Ikki is there, oh my Thorn Queen & Hurricane King vs Gem King & Wind King... EPIC!

Sora isn't there. Finally they showed Mikan's power but what was up with her eye. Anyway I want to see what makes gale road different than wing.
I think this is the battle where kazu gets his super powerup. Something will ignite his flame and he'll kick ass. Hoping buccha does something. I'm not really looking forward to Agito playing a main role since he always have and leave it to Ikki, Kazu, Buccha and Ringo for this fight.

TT looks like it will end soon so OG will probably stop with all the breaks he's been having and focus on AG.

[GravityZero]

Well, Mikan has gorilla force. I'm expecting a lot.

So, as I speculated many months ago, Mikan is the Wind Rider for SF. This leave OM as SF's "Flame", meaning Lather Road is the current SF equivalent for Flame Road, since the Lather subreggy has to have descended from the Flame.

I suppose this also leaves Orca as Genesis' "Flame".

[Waking_Dreamer]

Well, Mikan has gorilla force. I'm expecting a lot.

So, as I speculated many months ago, Mikan is the Wind Rider for SF. This leave OM as SF's "Flame", meaning Lather Road is the current SF equivalent for Flame Road, since the Lather subreggy has to have descended from the Flame.

I suppose this also leaves Orca as Genesis' "Flame".

Well I never considered Orca and Om to be their teams flame riders...

But if that is the case wouldnt that make a good opponent for Kazu, Orca?

Do people prefer a rematch between Orca and Agito? Or do people want a Kazu vs Nike. Maybe if they face off now, it would sort of diminish the apprehension of the possible (probable?) fight in the final. After all there are more qulaified opponents for Nike atm - Ikki, Ringo, Aeon with Regalia...

[tornadoking]

Well I never considered Orca and Om to be their teams flame riders...

But if that is the case wouldnt that make a good opponent for Kazu, Orca?

Do people prefer a rematch between Orca and Agito? Or do people want a Kazu vs Nike. Maybe if they face off now, it would sort of diminish the apprehension of the possible (probable?) fight in the final. After all there are more qulaified opponents for Nike atm - Ikki, Ringo, Aeon with Regalia...

Half assed aeon isn't qualified

[Carnevil]

Why do people believe that Kazu can fight Nike? Kazu is nowhere near Nike's level he'd be killed within a minute or two. Seriously the guy tanked the Apollon Road and stopped all of Spitfires and Aeon's time tricks.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6678/117.th.png (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=117.png)

He was just playing around when he did this what do you think will happen if he gets really serious.

Here's exactly what will happen to Kazu if he tries to attack Nike.
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/223/006/

If he really pisses off Nike this is what would happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2JNxeWO_wA

OG would seriously have to gimp Nike to make him weak enough to have Kazu be able to fight him.

[GravityZero]

OG would seriously have to gimp Nike to make him weak enough to have Kazu be able to fight him.
Worf had the flu?

[Carnevil]

Worf had the flu?

Lmao, but instead of the flu Nike will get Hepatitis from Simca.

[tornadoking]

Why do people believe that Kazu can fight Nike? Kazu is nowhere near Nike's level he'd be killed within a minute or two. Seriously the guy tanked the Apollon Road and stopped all of Spitfires and Aeon's time tricks.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6678/117.th.png (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=117.png)

He was just playing around when he did this what do you think will happen if he gets really serious.

Here's exactly what will happen to Kazu if he tries to attack Nike.
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/223/006/

If he really pisses off Nike this is what would happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2JNxeWO_wA

OG would seriously have to gimp Nike to make him weak enough to have Kazu be able to fight him.

Which idiot thought that? Plot road master can't face Nike so why should his shadow be able to?

[Carnevil]

Which idiot thought that? Plot road master can't face Nike so why should his shadow be able to?

I can't count how many people think that Kazu is going to fight Nike. They all think that Kazu will fight Nike because he killed Spitfire.

It kind of reminds of that delusion that Simca fans have that she's going to fight Ringo.

[Nee'lahn]

Wouldn't it be cooler if they all attacked Nike? As the brothers are going to be split it'd be good if Kogarasumaru +Ringo (+tuners) get through everyone on the ship and are able to battle Nike. I do have the image in my head that Ikki and Ringo may tag team him first - after Ikki gets his AT patched up. Also there is a high chance methinks Aeon is in for trouble.

[tornadoking]

I can't count how many people think that Kazu is going to fight Nike. They all think they Kazu will fight Nike because he killed Spitfire.

It kind of reminds of that delusion that Simca fans have that she's going to fight Ringo.
The highest level I think kazu can beat is about 150 if he starts using his flames as a weapon. I'm sure that that's less than half of nike's level.

[windwaker]

I don't see how it's so delusional that kazu will fight nike. It's definitely not nearly as delusional as people who thought simca would do...anything.

If OG weren't writing this than i would agree. Nike is simply too powerful for Kazu to ever beat, but i can see kazu getting a ridiculous power up with the flame regalia or having spitfire appear in spirit a la Yoshi and help kazu win (cringe worthy, i know...but this is OG)

The other thing is, who else is gonna do it? The only one who could realistically take on Nike in Koga is Ikki (and he'll be busy with sora), and in SF its just Nike and Ringo (when in the tower)

[Ace Gale]

In Thoery Bucha can because 1. He can withstand wind and Shatter rocks. 2. One punch from the mountain king is like devastating. 3. He needs some new power like a real road trick.

[tornadoking]

I don't see how it's so delusional that kazu will fight nike. It's definitely not nearly as delusional as people who thought simca would do...anything.

If OG weren't writing this than i would agree. Nike is simply too powerful for Kazu to ever beat, but i can see kazu getting a ridiculous power up with the flame regalia or having spitfire appear in spirit a la Yoshi and help kazu win (cringe worthy, i know...but this is OG)

The other thing is, who else is gonna do it? The only one who could realistically take on Nike in Koga is Ikki (and he'll be busy with sora), and in SF its just Nike and Ringo (when in the tower)
It's delusional that kazu can fight Nike because neither can Ikki or Agito fight him and they're in the 100s. Even with the regalia he would still need Ikki's help because Nike is a beast. Kazu will go through some major growth this arc hopefully.
In Thoery Bucha can because 1. He can withstand wind and Shatter rocks. 2. One punch from the mountain king is like devastating. 3. He needs some new power like a real road trick.
True, he can use pure strength to break Nike's vibrat
ions but he still couldn't get close enough because he's slow. I hope Buccha could possibly turn his wind against him(over road hint).

[GravityZero]

Just read scan. Looks like Gem Reggy is named "Hardest Apostolica", although I think the trans is off a bit.

[burnedalive]

Just read scan. Looks like Gem Reggy is named "Hardest Apostolica", although I think the trans is off a bit.

all of franky's trans have been a little off...

[windwaker]

It's delusional that kazu can fight Nike because neither can Ikki or Agito fight him and they're in the 100s. Even with the regalia he would still need Ikki's help because Nike is a beast. Kazu will go through some major growth this arc hopefully.

I never said I think Kazu will fight Nike realistically, or that it will make sense.

But the chances of Kazu getting a monster powerup with the flame reggy, as well as some hax move, to fight nike aren't that low. OG is writing this, Symbolism (Kazu avenging Spit) > Logic (Nike being way out of kazu's league)

Kazu hasn't even used flames offensively yet, and i think he'll manage to do that before getting the reggy, so thats technically 2 powerups he has to go. Also, im hoping that OG continues to play up kazu's intelligence, since then if he found a way to counter the gem it wouldn't be too far fetched.

Its sort of like how before Ikki got his wind cancel move, it was completely out of the realm of possibility for him to beat sora. Now with that move and the monstrous boost of the storm reggy, he'll be able to do it.

[tornadoking]

Anybody else see buccha gettng the rumble regalia on the ship since with the ship's resources they could make it it 2hrs and it's kinda his only option of a powerup.

[Carnevil]

Did you guys ever think that Buccha isn't going to get a regalia or become a king? Hell OG could kill him off at anytime and it wouldn't be a big deal. I mean once Ikki gets his regalia Buccha won't be needed for Ikki's storm and the Rumble Regalia is going to Ikki.

[tornadoking]

Did you guys ever think that Buccha isn't going to get a regalia or become a king? Hell OG could kill him off at anytime and it wouldn't be a big deal. I mean once Ikki gets his regalia Buccha won't be needed for Ikki's storm and the Rumble Regalia is going to Ikki.

So I guess if there is one rumnble regalia that is being used to make another regalia for a 9th road and not a replacement road cannot be copied even though TTT have it's design already in their heads and they made a whole lot of prototype wind regalias. I guess they can't make copies of regalia anymore then?

[Carnevil]

So I guess if there is one rumnble regalia that is being used to make another regalia for a 9th road and not a replacement road cannot be copied even though TTT have it's design already in their heads and they made a whole lot of prototype wind regalias. I guess they can't make copies of regalia anymore then?

Why would they take the time to make a regalia for somebody who isn't considered a king or even king level? A character who has never shown any ability to use the Over Road. It's never even been suggested that Buccha rides the Over Road. It's more wishful thinking on the part of certain fans of the manga.
Also where was it ever stated that Ikki's road is this fabled Ninth Road?

[tornadoking]

Why would they take the time to make a regalia for somebody who isn't considered a king or even king level? A character who has never shown any ability to use the Over Road. It's never even been suggested that Buccha rides the Over Road. It's more wishful thinking on the part of certain fans of the manga.
Also where was it ever stated that Ikki's road is this fabled Ninth Road?

They stated it twice or more actually.
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/192/012/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/206/011/

And why should take the time to make the regalia for buccha, glad you asked.
1.They need all the strength they can get because they are fighting kings. Spit already said that koga's objective should be to collect as much regalia as they can http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/192/012/.
2.TTT are making one regalia. No matter how you look at it there will always be some tuners left over and I'm sure they can do a simple thing as replicating a regalia since the only reason the wind regalia took so long was because they were improving the design.
3.Over road is the road of destruction. Last time I checked buccha was the most destructive in the manga.
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/253/09/
4.The rumble regalia is activated by strength and the only requirement is being extremely strong. Who's the strongest in the manga. As ripped as Nike looks he doesn't compare to this (http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/55/18-19/)
And to add to it his shadow is a tank.
5.The original king was the strongest in sf and buccha is the same for koga. He was the best king because he could withstand the pressure of using the regalia because of his endurance. Unfortunately, Yoshi never had that super endurance and that is why he ended up dying but who first comes to mind when you think super endurance.
6.He's called himself the king of mountains and mountains can redirect the wind since they distort air flow.
7.His singnature trick has over in it for no reason at all. http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/18/10-11/
But I guess that doesn't count as a reason.
8.Levels aren't everything. Nott was said to have a level that was too high so why can't someone have a level that is too low. A person's level could be judged by many things but we know for sure that tricks have a lot to do with someone's level and buccha's tricks havent improved but his physical strength and endurance has but that probably cannot be detected by something that measures AT skill. And Agito beat a guy that was level 174 while he was at 122. Onigiri was beating rika one of the original kings of sf and his level is 36 which is far far from king level so buccha being 68 doesnt say a lot.
9.Last but not least spit has said from early on in the manga that he has the potential to become a king. Spit saw kazu's potential in the flame road and now he's flame king. He saw buccha's potential to be a king and right now there is one kingless road the over road which was not replaced by hurricane road therefore it needs a king.

[skyburner]

I think its a bit of a jump to say Buccha should be rumble king just cos he's durable and strong, thats like saying Gabishi could be Flame king just because he's fast

on an unrelated note, im wondering, in Ikki's big 'Wind graveyard', will agito be able to use fangs? Thor proved that they could be nullified with vacuums, cos they are air shockwaves or something, so will the wind graveyard cancel fangs?

[tornadoking]

I think its a bit of a jump to say Buccha should be rumble king just cos he's durable and strong, thats like saying Gabishi could be Flame king just because he's fast

on an unrelated note, im wondering, in Ikki's big 'Wind graveyard', will agito be able to use fangs? Thor proved that they could be nullified with vacuums, cos they are air shockwaves or something, so will the wind graveyard cancel fangs?

Considering that his road uses braking heat I'm sure he could create some good friction for flame road. I have like 9 reasons and strength is only one. He's not only strong, he's the strongest. I'm not saying he has to be king but they're only facing kings level riders or actual kings from now so buccha needs a powerup and that's the one that I could probably see him getting.

I think the graveyard stop any road moves since they all are supposed to have something to do with the wind although I'm not so sure about gaia and sonia.

[skyburner]

yeah your argument was good I was just wondering about the strength part etc, and the Gabishi thing was just an example i do not want to start a huge debate about whether he could be flame road or not haha

as for every road using the wind, i dont see how gaia, sonia, thunder, or pledge do that, but i guess we'll have to wait and see

[juanchoh]

For sonia at least, there was that explanation about taking air into the body to give added flexibility. Not exactly wind but what is wind but moving air?

[Mickydan]

I thought the Sonia road's Thorns were miniture shockwaves produced by the crack of the whip can of like the Fang just smaller and weaker but a lot more thorns fire at once.

The Ring road uses sound which travels through the air as sondwaves. The thing is in my opinion the saying that every road use the wind seems a little off the way I think about it is that every road makes use of the atmosphere to me that sounds better.

[tornadoking]

Im guessing no chap this week.

[Mickydan]

This week came out last week so the next chapter should come out next week.

[KzTxL7]

They stated it twice or more actually.
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/192/012/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/206/011/

And why should take the time to make the regalia for buccha, glad you asked.
1.They need all the strength they can get because they are fighting kings. Spit already said that koga's objective should be to collect as much regalia as they can http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/192/012/.
2.TTT are making one regalia. No matter how you look at it there will always be some tuners left over and I'm sure they can do a simple thing as replicating a regalia since the only reason the wind regalia took so long was because they were improving the design.
3.Over road is the road of destruction. Last time I checked buccha was the most destructive in the manga.
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/253/09/
4.The rumble regalia is activated by strength and the only requirement is being extremely strong. Who's the strongest in the manga. As ripped as Nike looks he doesn't compare to this (http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/55/18-19/)
And to add to it his shadow is a tank.
5.The original king was the strongest in sf and buccha is the same for koga. He was the best king because he could withstand the pressure of using the regalia because of his endurance. Unfortunately, Yoshi never had that super endurance and that is why he ended up dying but who first comes to mind when you think super endurance.
6.He's called himself the king of mountains and mountains can redirect the wind since they distort air flow.
7.His singnature trick has over in it for no reason at all. http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/18/10-11/
But I guess that doesn't count as a reason.
8.Levels aren't everything. Nott was said to have a level that was too high so why can't someone have a level that is too low. A person's level could be judged by many things but we know for sure that tricks have a lot to do with someone's level and buccha's tricks havent improved but his physical strength and endurance has but that probably cannot be detected by something that measures AT skill. And Agito beat a guy that was level 174 while he was at 122. Onigiri was beating rika one of the original kings of sf and his level is 36 which is far far from king level so buccha being 68 doesnt say a lot.
9.Last but not least spit has said from early on in the manga that he has the potential to become a king. Spit saw kazu's potential in the flame road and now he's flame king. He saw buccha's potential to be a king and right now there is one kingless road the over road which was not replaced by hurricane road therefore it needs a king.

I'm actually coming back to counter-argument this.

1) Spit may have told them to get as many regalias and as much power as possible, but that doesn't mean throw Regalias on anyone you can.

A Regalia is the equivalent of a grenade. In the hands of an experienced soldier, its an effective tool capable of easily taking out a group of people. In the hands of the inexperienced, it will be either: a) wasted b) not as effective as the experienced or c) they'll blow themselves to bits.

Only Kings can use regalias or they'll hurt themselves.

2) Regalias are not easy to make. You need the high technology of the tower or the aircraft carrier as well as rare materials. Look at the trouble they went through to steal DG27 from Aeon. And its obviously took awhile to make it.

3) Road of Destruction? If anything its more of a road of defense considering it makes walls of air. The offensive part comes from the smashing the walls into the enemy.

4) I guess every strong person in AT is qualified for the Rumble Regalia, just like every flexible female is qualified for the Thorn Regalia and every fast person is qualified for the Flame.

Anyway, not necessary to be "ripped". Yoshi proved that.

5) Yoshi didn't have strength or super endurance? He deflected a shell bullet from a huge ass gundam wannabe shot from a rail gun. Which is at the speed of sound and one of the highest attainable known speeds in the world/universe.

I'll let that sink in.

6) Meh, somewhat, but I think you're overthinking that title.

7) Definately over thinking that one.

8) Levels may not be everything but from what we've seen of Buccha, he's not ready for a full on regalia yet.

9) Potential does not equal actual or current skill level. It means what he could be, but not what he is.

[Carnevil]

I wanna add something to number five. Yoshitune stopped a projectile that most likely was going mach 10.

[tornadoking]

I wanna add something to number five. Yoshitune stopped a projectile that most likely was going mach 10.

True but I think he was trying to say that he should have been able to do more here http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/237/009/
even though he did something nearly impossible.
I'm actually coming back to counter-argument this.

1) Spit may have told them to get as many regalias and as much power as possible, but that doesn't mean throw Regalias on anyone you can.

A Regalia is the equivalent of a grenade. In the hands of an experienced soldier, its an effective tool capable of easily taking out a group of people. In the hands of the inexperienced, it will be either: a) wasted b) not as effective as the experienced or c) they'll blow themselves to bits.

Only Kings can use regalias or they'll hurt themselves.

2) Regalias are not easy to make. You need the high technology of the tower or the aircraft carrier as well as rare materials. Look at the trouble they went through to steal DG27 from Aeon. And its obviously took awhile to make it.

3) Road of Destruction? If anything its more of a road of defense considering it makes walls of air. The offensive part comes from the smashing the walls into the enemy.

4) I guess every strong person in AT is qualified for the Rumble Regalia, just like every flexible female is qualified for the Thorn Regalia and every fast person is qualified for the Flame.

Anyway, not necessary to be "ripped". Yoshi proved that.

5) Yoshi didn't have strength or super endurance? He deflected a shell bullet from a huge ass gundam wannabe shot from a rail gun. Which is at the speed of sound and one of the highest attainable known speeds in the world/universe.

I'll let that sink in.

6) Meh, somewhat, but I think you're overthinking that title.

7) Definately over thinking that one.

8) Levels may not be everything but from what we've seen of Buccha, he's not ready for a full on regalia yet.

9) Potential does not equal actual or current skill level. It means what he could be, but not what he is.

They threw a regalia at level 40 something Ikki when all he could do with the wind was make a breeze without the regalia. I think it's safe to say they give it to anyone. I just don't think there's anyone else but I hope he can atleast prove himself on the ship.

I called it the road of destruction because of this http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/125/12/ http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/125/13/
But if its a road of defense he still has that covered http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/258/09/

7 is definitely over thinking ^^. 6 sounds like a crappy metaphor OG would use.

I just think it's the only option they have other than having a useless guy when fighting kings. It doesn't have to happen on the ship but he needs something and pretty much everybody they fight from now on will have regalia or will be king level.

[windwaker]

I think its also worth noting the similarities in character design between Buccha and Don.

Ikki and Sora, both have dark hair, mischievous personalities, and are cocky.
Kazu and Spit, both have light hair, are nice guys who don't seek the spotlight, both are speed riders, and both are pretty effeminate ha.
Buccha and Don, both are black, both are giant, both have music integrated into their design, both are strength riders.

To me, if buccha doesn't get over road, it would be just as weird as kazu never getting flame road.