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Extremely random thought this morning, i don't know if this has been discussed here though but which road essentially beats which? Excluding rider abilities and their battle smarts that play a whole lot of game in battles there is just a fact that one IA eats another. So which do you think beats which?
Over for example could easily eat up Wind and Hurricane, i don't know about Sonia, but Over could eat up Sonia Roads ranged attacks, Over could easily eat up Fang as well, but Over couldn't beat Gaia, Flame and Rising since their IA's aren't direct wind attacks.
burnedalive
07-19-2009, 10:04 PM
Extremely random thought this morning, i don't know if this has been discussed here though but which road essentially beats which? Excluding rider abilities and their battle smarts that play a whole lot of game in battles there is just a fact that one IA eats another. So which do you think beats which?
Over for example could easily eat up Wind and Hurricane, i don't know about Sonia, but Over could eat up Sonia Roads ranged attacks, Over could easily eat up Fang as well, but Over couldn't beat Gaia, Flame and Rising since their IA's aren't direct wind attacks.
It's a given that over goes against wind hurricane and bloody. Flame would be taken over by gaia or gem because flame focuses on ground types of attacks, thus giving the most chance to freeze the person. gaia should lose to hurricane and wind since the freezing effect would be brought down to a low amount of time on the ground. rising, pledge and sonia are neutral types that depend on the skill of the user. Pledge is also neutral because it's not a battle type. over is like the all powerful road because there arent any weaknesses. Against a neutral type like the sonia, you can use your own strength to take in air. With that you can attack or defend.....then half of the roads are totally negated. So over for the win XD
Carnevil
07-19-2009, 10:22 PM
Some of the roads really depend on the situation. You can say Over road beats Sonia. But is that inside or outside the tower. Inside the tower Sonia is suppose to be unbeatable since all other roads are gimped. You can say Wing over Gaia but that depends also, obviously Kiric used it to beat Sora. In a cube type battle where the Wing rider can't really take to the air gaia should have an advantage.
Reaper
07-19-2009, 10:23 PM
Jade Road ftw!
Some of the roads really depend on the situation. You can say Over road beats Sonia. But is that inside or outside the tower. Inside the tower Sonia is suppose to be unbeatable since all other roads are gimped. You can say Wing over Gaia but that depends also, obviously Kiric used it to beat Sora. In a cube type battle where the Wing rider can't really take to the air gaia would have an advantage.
Let us disregard the battlefields for one moment and focus on the Rod vs Road, then let's throw in the battle situation to add some more pains to our brains.
And burned, i so wanna hug you right now, DNM=OVER ROAD FANATIC
GravityZero
07-20-2009, 01:42 AM
Over Road is obv epic win. It can outmanuver an assassin on soda cans and stop a Gundam's railgun. Over Road = ftw.
Reflector
07-20-2009, 04:10 AM
Over Road is obv epic win. It can outmanuver an assassin on soda cans and stop a Gundam's railgun. Over Road = ftw.
Railguns are for faggots anyway. Only Kira Yamato and Freedom uses those. And Freedom is a Mid tier among Gundams, it's nothing too special. Now when it can stop Double X's Double Satellite Cannon or Turn A's Moonlight Butterfly, then I'm impressed.
Gaia's the road for real men. Minimal amount of bullshit and contains loads pure badassery.
Well, Gaia falls on the road where Over can't take in any wind from, but Gaia, like i said disregarding rider skills, Gaia's IA could not even get close to Lather, because every tiem it will make an attempt to get close....BOOM a f***ing water landmine will appear. Now if Gaia vs Flame, Gaia owns definitely. Gaia vs Rising though, i had some time to seriously doubt this, Gaia wins. But Over FTW!
And like i said lets disregard the riders abilities and focus entirely in the roads respective IAs for the moment, then lets add some riders abilities stuff and the battle situation.
Reaper
07-20-2009, 11:06 AM
Jade Road ftw!
Perhaps you missed this.
Gaia + Wind = Win
Please elaborate how your precious Jade can beat my awesome Over Reap. lol. :pirate:
burnedalive
07-20-2009, 11:22 AM
Gaia vs Rising though, i had some time to seriously doubt this, Gaia wins.
That depends on the riders' skills. depending on the riders of the regalias there skills at regular ATing rather than their regalia skills are more put to the test. They both cant nullify each other so all they can do is damage each other.
KzTxL7
07-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Confused on how someone can think Over defeats Sonia in any situation considering Over attacks by using High Pressure Air Walls, and Sonia has close to (if not immunity) in high pressure situations.
Ace Gale
07-20-2009, 10:34 PM
Sonia is only able to be immune to that in the tower, outside of it the high pressure would cause more pain because it would barr on the oxygen bubbles or whatever. In other cases Flame vs Gaia is a tricky one because it would rely on how the rider used the road.
Again, Over is not all about walls, if you remember Yoshi used the regalia to kick little Gawains ass towards the roof of a building and he didn't use walls did he? Meaning Over has more tricks than just that Rumble Wall. And i really didn't say that Over beats Sonia completely, only that ranged attacks of Sonia will be useless against Over, thats how i got the impression that Over maybe able to beat Sonia.
And about the Gaia vs Rising burned, well, Rising uses electricity and Gaia uses mostly the ground hence "Gaia". If Rising uses its electric attacks (i don't know if a rider could do this), Gaia could just simply use his body as a ground to redirect the electricity, to be able to do that means a rider should be able to handle so much shit that happens to his body, but consider Gaia riders are mostly close ranged fighters, they would have to train their bodies to handle so much shit when they brawl.
GravityZero
07-20-2009, 11:57 PM
Again, Over is not all about walls, if you remember Yoshi used the regalia to kick little Gawains ass towards the roof of a building and he didn't use walls did he? Meaning Over has more tricks than just that Rumble Wall. And i really didn't say that Over beats Sonia completely, only that ranged attacks of Sonia will be useless against Over, thats how i got the impression that Over maybe able to beat Sonia.
And about the Gaia vs Rising burned, well, Rising uses electricity and Gaia uses mostly the ground hence "Gaia". If Rising uses its electric attacks (i don't know if a rider could do this), Gaia could just simply use his body as a ground to redirect the electricity, to be able to do that means a rider should be able to handle so much shit that happens to his body, but consider Gaia riders are mostly close ranged fighters, they would have to train their bodies to handle so much shit when they brawl.
Do you know how electricity works? Grounding anything more than 0.5 Amperes through your heart is suicidal. A full amp through the body will cook all living matter in contact with the stream. You NEVER make your body a ground - a ground completes an otherwise open circuit. The safest way to deal with electricity is to allow it to ground outside of your body, or create enough resistance that it cannot ground at all - if it can't ground, there's no amperage or voltage.
How much voltage the Rising Regalia produces is still unknown ya know. So atm i say Gaia beats Rising. What you say is true, coz if Rising riders create enough voltage, Gaia riders are toast.
burnedalive
07-21-2009, 01:24 AM
How much voltage the Rising Regalia produces is still unknown ya know. So atm i say Gaia beats Rising. What you say is true, coz if Rising riders create enough voltage, Gaia riders are toast.
...that's totally unfounded in the first place. Just because gaia is earthy, doesn't mean they can ground electrical attacks. The only trick we've seen is the hardening of objects and the freezing effect of the gaia. Not to mention every one grounds electricity. Also, in all technicality grounding is the worse thing you can do. If you aren't touching the ground, electrical shocks don't work. When you stand on a rubber mat, if you touch an electrical source it doesn't effect you since you aren't grounded. I think I saw it on myth busters or something at one time....I think the principle works since the electricity doesn't channel through or something. Someone should have more info on that -_-"
GravityZero
07-21-2009, 10:05 AM
The reason I speak so boldly is because I've recently taken advanced electrical classes in order to work. Electricity is COMPLETELY HARMLESS without THREE THINGS: A source, a path, and a ground. For a Rising Road rider, the Regalia supplies both the source (power generator), and the path (cables - or air, because Sora haxed physics). The last thing Kiric would do, if he knows ANYTHING, is ground a prepared current.
As for you guys mentioning voltage, I'm sorry, but that's a very common misconception. Voltage is only electrical pressure - that is, the movement of the electrons. It has nothing to do with intensity. Lightning bolts usually have ridiculously high amounts of voltage, and yet they don't always kill us, because voltage isn't fatal - it's a physical "push". If voltage kills someone, it's usually because of blunt trauma, and that is almost a non-occurance. That's why people can walk on carpets, generate 100,000,000 volts+, touch a metal doorknob, and survive. Voltage is only the pressure behind the strike, not the actual power of the strike or it's intensity level. It's also the only way electricity can be measured without moving - since the pressure of the voltage is constant, it's measurable even when a circuit is not complete. On Thursday, I purposely grounded 13.1 volts directly through my heart while working on a '99 Pontiac Grand Prix - it's part of my job. Voltage is NOT fatal, and it's rarely dangerous.
Amperage is the intensity level of electricity - the actual "power" within the electricity. That's what kills. It cooks whatever it comes into contact with instantly, and damages living matter quite quickly. Just HALF of an Amp through the heart or brain is instantaneously fatal, without question. Muscles, etc, can also fall victim and be cooked. It's what leaves "burns" on lightning victims - although lightning has extremely high voltage (it has to in order to overcome the ridiculously high electrical resistance of our atmosphere), it's amperage is usually negligible. Amperage IS current - therefore it cannot EXIST or be DIRECTLY MEASURED without first grounding it's path. Which is what Kiric doesn't want to happen. He wants to keep the electricity from grounding, especially through his body where it'll actually do damage.
The reason I speak so boldly is because I've recently taken advanced electrical classes in order to work. Electricity is COMPLETELY HARMLESS without THREE THINGS: A source, a path, and a ground. For a Rising Road rider, the Regalia supplies both the source (power generator), and the path (cables - or air, because Sora haxed physics). The last thing Kiric would do, if he knows ANYTHING, is ground a prepared current.
As for you guys mentioning voltage, I'm sorry, but that's a very common misconception. Voltage is only electrical pressure - that is, the movement of the electrons. It has nothing to do with intensity. Lightning bolts usually have ridiculously high amounts of voltage, and yet they don't always kill us, because voltage isn't fatal - it's a physical "push". If voltage kills someone, it's usually because of blunt trauma, and that is almost a non-occurance. That's why people can walk on carpets, generate 100,000,000 volts+, touch a metal doorknob, and survive. Voltage is only the pressure behind the strike, not the actual power of the strike or it's intensity level. It's also the only way electricity can be measured without moving - since the pressure of the voltage is constant, it's measurable even when a circuit is not complete. On Thursday, I purposely grounded 13.1 volts directly through my heart while working on a '99 Pontiac Grand Prix - it's part of my job. Voltage is NOT fatal, and it's rarely dangerous.
Amperage is the intensity level of electricity - the actual "power" within the electricity. That's what kills. It cooks whatever it comes into contact with instantly, and damages living matter quite quickly. Just HALF of an Amp through the heart or brain is instantaneously fatal, without question. Muscles, etc, can also fall victim and be cooked. It's what leaves "burns" on lightning victims - although lightning has extremely high voltage (it has to in order to overcome the ridiculously high electrical resistance of our atmosphere), it's amperage is usually negligible. Amperage IS current - therefore it cannot EXIST or be DIRECTLY MEASURED without first grounding it's path. Which is what Kiric doesn't want to happen. He wants to keep the electricity from grounding, especially through his body where it'll actually do damage.
It's decided then, Rising eats Gaia.
tornadoking
08-11-2009, 01:44 AM
What about gladius vs thorn, outside of the tower with a time limit so ringo doesnt get tired too quick.
Also fang vs flame
GravityZero
08-11-2009, 02:07 AM
Gladius was evaded by SODA CANS and killed by a BELT...
Fang vs. Flame... I'ma give it to Flame. Fang involves expending a lot of energy into Fangs, and Flame is good at dodging. Eventually, Flame tires Fang out and moves in for the kill.
tornadoking
08-11-2009, 03:01 AM
Gladius was evaded by SODA CANS and killed by a BELT...
Fang vs. Flame... I'ma give it to Flame. Fang involves expending a lot of energy into Fangs, and Flame is good at dodging. Eventually, Flame tires Fang out and moves in for the kill.
I would give the win to sonia because its a more flexible road but gladius has more range, it can be used for defence and it would easily cause more damage. But its just not as easily controlled as sonia is, sonia is eaily manuevered but one slip up could mean death in a match against a gladius rider.
And sonia was stopped by a belt too http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/137/04/
for like 2 seconds.
Agito and falco can produce a lot of fangs continuously and not get tired so it would only mean that he would have to lure his opponent into a corner and attack but that would be hard to do and no openings would have to be left but time would stop him before he attacked so flame would win. Infinity jail could probably restrict the riders movement and give agito the time to attack but he wouldnt be able to catch him to do it.
Waking_Dreamer
08-11-2009, 07:29 AM
How about the Lather Road vs the whatever Orca's Road is?
I have to reread the chapters but I know they both use bubbles to explode around people and bust up their insides. Orca can also increase the pressure and density of water when hes riding submerged.
I hope O!G for one reason or another ends up dropping both Om and Orca in the Harbor just outside the tower and let them go at it!
I'm going for Belt Road. Since it practically owns people.
Gladius was evaded by SODA CANS and killed by a BELT...
Fang vs. Flame... I'ma give it to Flame. Fang involves expending a lot of energy into Fangs, and Flame is good at dodging. Eventually, Flame tires Fang out and moves in for the kill.
I beg to differ, remeber Infinity Jail? No escape. But then, Inifinity Jail takes a lot of energy out just to keep its integrity, much like the Rumble Wall trick, the user is rendered defenseless and can't attack since he has to keep the trick up. But then, i never saw any flame riders that think too much throughout the manga, aside from aeon.
windwaker
08-11-2009, 02:30 PM
I beg to differ, remeber Infinity Jail? No escape. But then, Inifinity Jail takes a lot of energy out just to keep its integrity, much like the Rumble Wall trick, the user is rendered defenseless and can't attack since he has to keep the trick up. But then, i never saw any flame riders that think too much throughout the manga, aside from aeon.
Kazu's pretty sharp. And he's shown that he's pretty good at analyzing tricks, since he understood the flame trick after seeing it once (and basically sharingan'd it later down the line), he broke down gabishi's air cannon, and then earlier he figured out aeon's invisibility tricks.
But i agree that inifinty jail would fuck over a flame rider, if they get caught in it.
burnedalive
08-11-2009, 02:33 PM
Kazu's pretty sharp. And he's shown that he's pretty good at analyzing tricks, since he understood the flame trick after seeing it once (and basically sharingan'd it later down the line), he broke down gabishi's air cannon, and then earlier he figured out aeon's invisibility tricks.
But i agree that inifinty jail would fuck over a flame rider, if they get caught in it.
but that's if you're able to get the flame rider caught in it.
windwaker
08-11-2009, 02:45 PM
but that's if you're able to get the flame rider caught in it.
True, but a majority of the fang riders we've seen are pretty fast, and auto fangs are a good way to slow down a fast moving target.
Can agito shoot auto fangs? Or is that just falco?
Also, as with any speedy character in fiction, when it comes to fights they are always a possible victim of incredible CIS/PIS, so there's that to consider.
tornadoking
08-11-2009, 02:49 PM
True, but a majority of the fang riders we've seen are pretty fast, and auto fangs are a good way to slow down a fast moving target.
Can agito shoot auto fangs? Or is that just falco?
Also, as with any speedy character in fiction, when it comes to fights they are always a possible victim of incredible CIS/PIS, so there's that to consider.
No agito can shoot them too.
there are also wide area fangs, which are pretty broad, that maybe also hard to dodge. except for over! over FTW again! lol
windwaker
08-11-2009, 03:19 PM
there are also wide area fangs, which are pretty broad, that maybe also hard to dodge. except for over! over FTW again! lol
A fang is still just one blade. No matter how long it is it can still be side stepped/jumped over.
Their best bet would be to use auto fangs in order to slow down the flame rider and then use fang jail.
But with clones, time, afterburner, and flame jumps i just dont see that happening without some PIS.
A fang is still just one blade. No matter how long it is it can still be side stepped/jumped over.
Their best bet would be to use auto fangs in order to slow down the flame rider and then use fang jail.
But with clones, time, afterburner, and flame jumps i just dont see that happening without some PIS.
Ahhh, but you forget that on the battle with Ceasar, Agito fired some fangs one after the other to make a Fang Cage, and they were wider than the usual fangs. Sorry if i can't provide the link to the page on onemaga, im too lazy right now.
GravityZero
08-11-2009, 11:42 PM
No agito can shoot them too.
When?
Agito does have an arsenal to work with. Regular fangs, Leviathans (he learned from Akito), Double Fangs (based on Akira), and Bloody Fangs (finally his own creation). Then there's the rollerbades of doom he has when he's tuned, when he cut Falco's fangs and tore him apart with kicks (lol). Who know what kind of Fangs Agito can use tuned...
Over should have a limit though, they can't handle that much energy, they should disperse it somehow like Yoshi with Agito's fang
Over should have a limit though, they can't handle that much energy, they should disperse it somehow like Yoshi with Agito's fang
Exactly iMeh, that limit is based on the riders physical strength. It's not that it "should" have a limit, it "has" as limit.
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