alliances...

[stealth]

i'm really confused about all these alliances.. this how i understand it right now. Genesis is with Kogarasumaru is against Sleeping Forest and Tool Tool Tou is neutral to both.

ok..now heres the confusing part. Spitfire is part of genesis...so is sora and nike...so WHY are they fighting each other? as a matter of fact..where the hell does sora fit in anyway? he's never been mentioned as being part of genesis. Killik's team is now the sleeping forest. so sora isn't part of sleeping forest. apparently hes leading genesis. but then why does all of genesis turn against sora whos supposed to be the leader and follow ikki?

ok..basically..i just want to know why spitfire and sora who're supposed to be on the same team are fighting right now. i mean..even if spitfire gives kazu the flame regalia, kazu will still be part of genesis and therefore under sora. its not like sora's losing the flame regalia in any way.

[penguinism]

spitfire is part of genesis, because genesis was basicly all his old friends, but his beliefs are the same as sleepnig forest, hence the fight

koga isnt really part of genesis at the moment, ikki hasnt given his final decision yet...remember he said to wait a month? ikki's intentions are also common knowledge among genesis, that he plans to defeat genesis on his way to the top of tropheum

also sora is the secret leader if u will of genesis, simca formed genesis, but it was sora who told her to do so and it was sora who told her who to go recruit etc, sora is the real leader of genesis, simca is the the public leader

[krompt]

Yeah Sora is basically the leader now, though i'm pretty sure Yo****sune and Benkai will oppose him due to him killing Spitfire and Aeon. Then again he might blame it all on his brother and say he had nothing to do with it. Sora basically forced Simca into believing in his dream should be hers and she went along. So now Koga has the power to defeat Genesis, i mean now they have 3 potential Kings on their side XD

[Crow]

ahh.....now thats more like it.. i was a little confuse myself.. thanks for the clear up
and good question

[Thunderlord]

also sora is the secret leader if u will of genesis, simca formed genesis, but it was sora who told her to do so and it was sora who told her who to go recruit etc, sora is the real leader of genesis, simca is the the public leader
You sure about Sora being the leader :eek: or is Sora the leader :rolleyes:
There are two you know:D

[penguinism]

You sure about Sora being the leader :eek: or is Sora the leader :rolleyes:
There are two you know:D

ya but ones pronounced nike and ones pronounced sora :P considering gem sora was bowing to air sora, air sora is leader :P

[Thunderlord]

Few more chapters till the answer is revealed

[keshies]

yer i'm abit confused about ppls alliances in AG. is sora or nike the leader of genesis. ringo probably knew about sora & his brother so y didn't sleeping forest take them out completely :confused:

[krompt]

In upcoming chapters, Sora says he used Ikki to divert attention from him, his recovery and his plans. No one suspected him to do this becuase they were all focusing on Ikki, that is becuase Sora told Simca that Ikki would be the next wind king. So Simca followed his plan (unconcioussly) and made Ikki the focus of all attention. Now Sora is making his move XD

[stealth]

another thing i dont get. isn't rika and sora like lovers? wouldn't rika disprove of her little sisters who are part of sleeping forest going against sora, maybe even with the intention of killing him? i mean. if rika really loved sora wouldn't she push her sisters to be on sora's side? how did they get to be on killik's side?

[Satralis]

But it seems Rika was not informed of Sora's bad intentions, so she loves him knowing nothing of his real goals... and sice she doesnt know of the goals of the current SF she cant say a thing...
Although it seems she knows more than she shows...

[krompt]

Ofcourse she does, she was a friend and commrade of the original Gravity Children, but i believe she might suspect a few things but doesn't really know the truth XD

[Satralis]

Propably... but OG is always full of surprises...it may turn out that she is the main enemy :D...not possible.
But actually it would be fun. Well we already know that Killik has a serious crush on her so its like the secound reason why he hates Sora...

[krompt]

Yeah she reveals herself to be the Sky Queen and tries to get revenge on Killik for doing that to Sora, her love XP

[Satralis]

Or maybe she will be the first person to realise that AT is not faster than a bullet and will walk in with an AK-47 and shoot everyone to death.

[krompt]

Or maybe she will be the first person to realise that AT is not faster than a bullet and will walk in with an AK-47 and shoot everyone to death.

Lol, thats possible, but it would be kind of the blunt truth XP

[Satralis]

Now seriously... theres no other way...how lame wouth be for the cyclops guy who can break walls bare handed to die in a car accident... or for gabishi who had no problem after meeting with a juggernaut (truck)...

[Satralis]

on the contrary... it was Spitfire and Aeon who were deserting genesis... and those 300 idiot would folloe even a rat of they were told so...

[kinneth]

on the contrary... it was Spitfire and Aeon who were deserting genesis... and those 300 idiot would folloe even a rat of they were told so...

Just how were they deserting Genesis? Clear that up for me. D:

[Satralis]

just by turning againts the Sora brothers :D
well actually later it will turn out how thing came to be...

[kinneth]

Ahh, I don't think so.
Since Sora Brothers did assualt Spitfire & Co. :(

[Satralis]

Yes because they already planned to defy them, the true leaders of genesis...

[kinneth]

Then it would be Sora & Co as the bad ones in this case.

[Crow]

yeah i do think that spitfire is the one who left genesis
cos genesis's goal it to conquer the tower right?

[Satralis]

yes and Spitfire clearly had no intention of doing that... Altough he never acted as the leader of Geneisi in the first place! He just stood next to Simca who made the decisions...

[stealth]

i still think the sora bros. were the ones deserting genesis. i mean. currently, genesis is following ikki right? so in the end wont genesis go over to ikki's side? so that would mean the sora's are out of it since they're against ikki

[Satralis]

i think that genesis was never under Ikkis command...they did what Simca told them...and she was under Sora brothers influence/order so Ikki being the leader of Genesis was never a real thing...

[Ray]

I think they did that offer to Ikki to get Ikki to sway down to Genesis, then bam from no where Ikki would get taken out! or something or other..

[Satralis]

yea something like that...he seemed strong enough to at least cause some ddamage to SF but now that Sora has the bagram Ikki is not needed anymore...

[krompt]

yea something like that...he seemed strong enough to at least cause some ddamage to SF but now that Sora has the bagram Ikki is not needed anymore...

Yeah but their gonna have to recognize him as the
Storm King
or something better than an average rider XD

[Satralis]

well basically thats happening right now by the time he decides what to do.

[krompt]

Yeah, i'm sure he'll kick some *********** with his new "abilities" XD

[Satralis]

i pray for anyone that can make that happen: do not be some 3 secs of glory than Sora laughs and beats him into the ground....like it was with Spit and Aeon

[krompt]

Yeah he happens to get in a good kick to sora's
mechanical legs XD
and then just gets Pwned :p

[Satralis]

would be extremely disappointing... and than something lame would come like Killik. or Ringo coming and rescuing him at the cost of his/her life or legs...

[krompt]

Yeah, or maybe koga (kazu and akito) will caome and save him XP

[Satralis]

Kazu really wants revenge on the Sora bros so a duel might be possible...but the only chance that Ringo could get is to pair up with Ikki and help him beat Sora...that would open her a new path towads Ikki...i hope it wont happen

[krompt]

yeah, i think it would be best for Ringo just to help with the thorn queen title and nothing more. She should just leave Kururu and ikki alone XD and go out with Kanon

[Satralis]

that way everyone would be happy and she would have no problems with SF

[playsafe]

Or they can all die and make Sora and his stupid brother (but awesome) triumph over everyone.

[kinneth]

Or they can all die and make Sora and his stupid brother (but awesome) triumph over everyone.

Now that would be a happy ending.

[Thunderlord]

Thread reopened

[remanzuo]

i still think the sora bros. were the ones deserting genesis. i mean. currently, genesis is following ikki right? so in the end wont genesis go over to ikki's side? so that would mean the sora's are out of it since they're against ikki

Sora brothers are the founder of genesis, the master mind of Genesis, Sora want to make Ikki as the Wind King and the New Genesis Leader so he can distract Kilik attention, while Kilik was distracted by Ikki , Sora n Nike will deafeat him and take the Sky Regalia....but Sora has change his plan, he decided to stole Bagram and confront Kilik by himself that's why he doesn't need Ikki anymore

[zxcvbn]

let me summarise the present arrangement of factions/alliances in a nutshell:
1.First you have Genesis, a conglomeration of hundreds of Stormrider teams, led by the Sora brothers, who were its original founders(Ikki was offered leadership of this team in the past, but no more). They're goal is to win the Gram Scale Tournament and unlock the Sky Regalia(which Sora will then use to terrorise the world).

2.Then you've got Sleeping Forest, made up of 8 powerful Gravity Children and led by Kilik and Ringo, the team currently reigning at the top of the Trophaeum Tower. They're role is to prevent anyone from using the Sky Regalia.

3.Kogarasamaru and hundreds of other miscallaneous teams who also want to acquire the Sky Regalia but don't believe in Genesis's destructive idealogy.

4.Toul Tool Tou, a supposedly neutral team of AT tuners and mechanics who will offer their services to any team. They are not directly involved in the AT War.

In short, it's an uphill battle for Ikki. So many enemies...

[Takashi]

Mostly Ikki will battle Genesis Sora and Genesis leaders(i mean kings)
But I can`t clearly understand the battle that is happening now between Kogarasumaru and White Wolves clan. Kururu suposed to be the neutral

[BlackCat]

well this law of neutralty seems to be a work in the making so we still have to see what gonna happen about that battle mabye TTT will change its role as neutral but i hope not.

[Karshu]

TTT is neutral. The team itself doesn't have to fight or do anything other than help riders and repair their ATs. However, they are allowed to have their own individuality. Such as Kanon, being the nephew of the White Wolves Clan's boss, fights in the battle as well even though he's from TTT and Ringo's tuner. As for Kururu, she is the White Wolves Clan's boss's daughter, so with that in mind, it can appear that she is neutral about the war by 'helping her father' rather than 'fighting Ikki'. Though, honestly, if you guys read back, you'll see that Kururu is trying to help Ikki by teaching him about defeat. If you always win, and never lose, then you become overconfident and never learn. Kururu is trying to keep Ikki from becoming overly confident and then falling hard when he makes a mistake.

Also, you guys are forgetting something too. It's not that Sora doesn't 'need' Ikki anymore. It's that Sora is afraid Ikki will become too strong. That is the reason why Nike stole Bagram and kidnapped Hako. Cause if Ikki masters the Bagram, then he'll become stronger than Sora and Sora won't be able to get the Sky Regalia for himself. As for kidnapping Hako, I guess they just needed someone who can build and tune the Wind Regalia. And the reason why they didn't kidnap Kururu was probably because of Sora's hate for 'geniuses' like Kilik.

[Unholy]

TTT is neutral. The team itself doesn't have to fight or do anything other than help riders and repair their ATs. However, they are allowed to have their own individuality. Such as Kanon, being the nephew of the White Wolves Clan's boss, fights in the battle as well even though he's from TTT and Ringo's tuner. As for Kururu, she is the White Wolves Clan's boss's daughter, so with that in mind, it can appear that she is neutral about the war by 'helping her father' rather than 'fighting Ikki'. Though, honestly, if you guys read back, you'll see that Kururu is trying to help Ikki by teaching him about defeat. If you always win, and never lose, then you become overconfident and never learn. Kururu is trying to keep Ikki from becoming overly confident and then falling hard when he makes a mistake.

Also, you guys are forgetting something too. It's not that Sora doesn't 'need' Ikki anymore. It's that Sora is afraid Ikki will become too strong. That is the reason why Nike stole Bagram and kidnapped Hako. Cause if Ikki masters the Bagram, then he'll become stronger than Sora and Sora won't be able to get the Sky Regalia for himself. As for kidnapping Hako, I guess they just needed someone who can build and tune the Wind Regalia. And the reason why they didn't kidnap Kururu was probably because of Sora's hate for 'geniuses' like Kilik.

U area bit wrong there.They are only neutral when it comes to the sky regalia, otherwise they are free to pick a side if they want to.And yeah they are neutral as a group, individuals like kanon can pick a side if they want to.

[pipoy22]

U area bit wrong there.They are only neutral when it comes to the sky regalia, otherwise they are free to pick a side if they want to.And yeah they are neutral as a group, individuals like kanon can pick a side if they want to.

Hmmm if they are only neutral when it comes to the sky regalia then there's kind of a loophole. Since every team you beat is a stepping stone(literally) to reach the top of the trophaeum and every battle you win with the help of TTT means that they already broke the law.

[Karshu]

Hmmm if they are only neutral when it comes to the sky regalia then there's kind of a loophole. Since every team you beat is a stepping stone(literally) to reach the top of the trophaeum and every battle you win with the help of TTT means that they already broke the law.

Eh, it's still neutral as long as they don't try to go after the sky regalia themselves. This whole war or whatever is all about the Sky Regalia. There's two basic sides to it. You have Sleeping Forest, who currently are at the 'top' of the tower and guarding the Sky Regalia. Then you have Genesis and everyone else, who are all aiming for the top of the tower and the right to claim the Sky Regalia as their own.

It's your simple Offense and Defense Team mission.

Defense: Sleeping Forest must protect the Sky Regalia from being taken.

Offense: Genesis, Kogarusumaru, and all the other teams must take the Sky Regalia. (Except maybe Kogarusumaru.. Since Ikki just likes to ride ATs and could care less about regalias.)

TTT is still neutral since, one, they're not directly attacking either side, and only plays a supportive role for both sides, allowing them to remain neutral so long as they do not help only one side and ignore the other. What also makes them neutral is that they're not trying to take the sky regalia for themselves, nor are they protecting the sky regalia. The only thing that can be considered 'taking sides' is that they're trying to delay the opening of the tower so Ikki and team can train more. Other than that, they're still neutral.

So, as long as TTT doesn't directly compete themselves, they're still neutral. They're free to help anyone they want.

(FMA reference: They're like Winry's parents. Doctors in a middle of a war. They won't discriminate between the two sides, and will help injured people from both sides.)

[penguinism]

http://www.sorascans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390

Talk about neutrality there, this topic is about alliances not neutrality

[visualboy366]

i don't think their is an alliance anymore
my thought

[Katsuomori]

I don't know... after that very incident, I'm kinda confused by where Koragasumaru current situation at. Perhaps... and yeah, Genesis is now the enemy of Kogarasumaru since Sora and Nike are in power. I guess it's delcared war between them then.

[takumi2004]

well its not like anything really changed except that Kogarasumaru has to become stronger on their own without the help of Genesis. cause originally Ikkis plan was to use Genesis to become stonger and then fight them after something like 3 months or something like that. now they just have to get stronger on their own

[Karshu]

Right. Sorry. All I can say about alliances is this.

Genesis and Trident is one alliance. Since Trident still works somewhat independently.

TTT has no alliance since they're neutral.

Kogarasumaru's had a small alliance or bond with Genesis as their leader, until Sora and Nike came back.

At the current time being, there is only one alliance left. Genesis and Trident, and that's all.

Other than that, you just have small groups and supporters.

[DragonTiger]

Well about aliances. If there will be it'd be SF and K vs G. TT is neutral. anyway Right now I see it like this G vs K vs SF, TT neutral