[SPOILER] Koga's Next Opponent....!

[RICECM]

If you've seen the LQ 226 and read Carnevil summary of the chapter in the 226 spoilers thread, you should now know that the next opponent for kogarasumaru is JIGGY. If you recall from chapter 211, they show a mugshot of a member(possibly the leader) and he's got some freddy cruger shit going on with his face.:lol: But, if you look at the stats, they've gone far in the previous GST. Anyway, I'm just wanting to know other people's opinions on this new development.


Also, here is the thread to look at this horrid creature:
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/211/005/

[Lictor]

Out of all the teams they showed i can't wait to see JIGGY. I hope he is strong.

[Roshi]

Looks like their are going to be fighting another 'Cube' battle, since Jiggy can choose the place/style of the battle and they are Cube specialists (unless they can choose battles other than Cube, Air, Disc, Hurdles and Dash).

[idohustle]

So are there going to be different match types or is it all the balloon.

[Roshi]

So are there going to be different match types or is it all the balloon.

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/211/006/

The higher ranked team chooses the battle.

[Wolfe]

Hm, by looking at the guy's face, I kinda think that Gabishi of the Sleeping Forest probably indulged in his "favorite pastime" on him.

If the battle is "Cube" style, then I sure hope it can match up to the high standards of the first Cube battle of Koga versus Behemoth. Can't wait for this battle to unfold.

[Lukannon]

Oh, come on, give Gabishi a little more credit. Hatch Venom takes away the skin of the face smoothly and elegantly, all biribiri-like. You'd look a bit prettier than Jiggy if Gabishi was the one who got a hold of you.

[KzTxL7]

But, if you look at the stats, they've gone far in the previous GST.

They've only made it to the 2nd round with 6 previous entries. They're not all that.

[GravityZero]

They've only made it to the 2nd round with 6 previous entries. They're not all that.

Yeah, actually, they're pathetic. Highway C. ftw.

[Epic_Rider]

Wait, since Koga defeated Inorganic Net doesn't that mean that they are an A- ranked team? Also, they got Inorganic Net's 'seed' place so doesn't that mean that they are higher ranked than Jiggy? Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Roshi]

Wait, since Koga defeated Inorganic Net doesn't that mean that they are an A- ranked team? Also, they got Inorganic Net's 'seed' place so doesn't that mean that they are higher ranked than Jiggy? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Depends if it was an 'official' match. I'd say that they are probably 'A' rank now.

The 'Seed' doesn't have anything to do with 'rank'... I think... So they are probably still ranked lower than Jiggy.

[KzTxL7]

It most likely wasn't official, just a match for the seed placement.

Even if it did move Koga into A rank, Jiggy has 6 previous entries. Meaning they've been A or B rank much longer than Koga. Seniority would grant them rights to choose type and place of the match.

[HavocRoad]

Has anyone looked closely at Ch226 pg 10, panel 4 (where Kogarasumaru's name replaces Inorganic Net)? JIGGY's bracket takes an upward turn, but Kogarasumaru's continues to the next level of the tournament. Would that not mean that JIGGY is not necessarily Kogarasumaru's next opponent?

[Roshi]

You're right it does appear that way...

But since Jiggy is one of the named teams (with pretty high betting stake), I'd say that it's very likely they'll make it to the second round and therefore would fight Kogarasumaru.

[mibu]

but there no such thing as definely. Behemoth vs Kogasumaru, who win in the end

[Lukannon]

Gogo using the main character's team with all that that entails to illustrate a point.

[sabret00the]

If Jiggy is just that solo rider, who would you guys like to see tag on the battle for koga?

[Nee'lahn]

You're right it does appear that way...

But since Jiggy is one of the named teams (with pretty high betting stake), I'd say that it's very likely they'll make it to the second round and therefore would fight Kogarasumaru.

Erm I thought Kogarasumaru were fighting to get a place, wouldn't it still be the first round when they face Jiggy- just read the translation and it shows Jiggy as the Opponent :http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/226/10/ All they've done is taken the Inorganic Nets place.

[Wolfe]

Erm I thought Kogarasumaru were fighting to get a place, wouldn't it still be the first round when they face Jiggy- just read the translation and it shows Jiggy as the Opponent :http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/226/10/ All they've done is taken the Inorganic Nets place.

That is the second or third round, not the first round. Zoom in the scan, or look closely on the chart, and you'll see that both the teams are well beyond the first round. I'd say that this is a third round match.

[Nee'lahn]

That is the second or third round, not the first round. Zoom in the scan, or look closely on the chart, and you'll see that both the teams are well beyond the first round. I'd say that this is a third round match.

Is it where the sign says "changed" on the board? So that means Inorganic Net has already defeated two teams or they always hold that place?

[sabret00the]

That is the second or third round, not the first round. Zoom in the scan, or look closely on the chart, and you'll see that both the teams are well beyond the first round. I'd say that this is a third round match.
No, Koga hasn't had their first match yet, and neither has Jiggy (this year). Do not take the placement of popups to mean advancement. Koga as it says in 226, simply are into the GST. Their first round matchup will be against Jiggy. A match that Jiggy would've won by default due to Falco/Inorganic Net ceding.

Is it where the sign says "changed" on the board? So that means Inorganic Net has already defeated two teams or they always hold that place?

The only way Inorganic Net would've defeated two teams and proceeded to the third round would be if you ignore the storyline completely and only look at the pictures.

[GravityZero]

Lol. Koga needs to face Highway Circus in a Disk so Kazu can learn some Cannonball-like tricks to use vs Aeon >:D

[windwaker]

Lol. Koga needs to face Highway Circus in a Disk so Kazu can learn some Cannonball-like tricks to use vs Aeon >:D

ha i wouldnt mind seeing kazu nonchalantly pwn some highway circus guys, i can see him being like, "i thought you were speed riders :erf:"

but jiggy looks really cool, im hoping their battle style is as unconventional as they're leader. And while this is just wishful fanboy thinking, i hope jiggy says something pervy/degrading to emily and kazu goes all "knight in flaming shoes" on his ass.

[saheton]

i hope its a cube battle and we get to see how awsome the fang is when its tuned in real life (I.E out of the inorganic net). i really want to see if cyclops hammer's team made it to b class in time for the tournament.

[sabret00the]

Seeing the Fang be awesome again so soon would be lame. Given how Oh!G has built up the Kazu versus Nike fight and how lame Kazu was against Inorganic Net, i think this match should focus on making Kazu look good.

[GravityZero]

qft. kazu better pwn a little.

[Nee'lahn]

qft. kazu better pwn a little.

Considering he pretty much got beat up all the way through Inorganic net- even here: http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/217/06-07/ he get's knocked back when Ongiri and Agito are resisting. He definately needs to do some more in the next round.

[windwaker]

I guess OG thought it would be too much...did you notice how Everyone did something awesome in that battle except kazu...although flame clones was really cool.

Kazu needs to show some more offensive techniques if hes going to beat aeon.

[sabret00the]

I have a feeling that Kazu will again falter in this next match. And the thing for me, is that i don't really want to see Kazu becoming a one trick pony or any type of pony that relies on speed. I do wish he would give it a rest with tricks prefixed with the word 'time' and start with something along the lines of "Inferno", "Blazing", "Fire", "Flaming". Just a little development would be nice. Surely he can do more than just run fast.

[chihoho]

I have a feeling that Kazu will again falter in this next match. And the thing for me, is that i don't really want to see Kazu becoming a one trick pony or any type of pony that relies on speed. I do wish he would give it a rest with tricks prefixed with the word 'time' and start with something along the lines of "Inferno", "Blazing", "Fire", "Flaming". Just a little development would be nice. Surely he can do more than just run fast.

I really hope that he learn more lessons about the flame from spitfire. The first lesson was stopping time ,but that kazu will show about lesson 2 against the highway
circus

[sabret00the]

To be fair. Kazu hasn't really done anything that Ikki hasn't. i.e. they were both taught by the basics and told that from there, it's just a matter of how creative they are. Thus far, they've both pretty much stuck to the basics. All we can do in this upcoming battle is hope that Kazu doesn't do Kage Bunshin and wear himself out again.

[t260z]

I don't think he wore himself out...he was just surprised that Falco took them all out like that, and that it could have been him.:lol: Yah know that "time shield" he put up to guard against Iki, right? He never explained how that was done; maybe its a just a concentration of fire or something on one spot...

[Nee'lahn]

Kazu seems pretty confident (cocky maybe) about going against Highay circus but than O!G could have it that they actually are much better at the Run- they appear more expereinced and Kazu hasn't really gone against that many riders who focus on speed in this way so I think a lot of surprises are on the way. Time I don't think will be much help here so flame trick may or may not be on the way.

(Also if the team of virgins get through (a panel was devoted to them noticing Kog. defeated Inorganic net on their phones) I can imagine they may be a future opponent just so onirigi can have some development but than Jiggy and the art guys got quite a bit of panel time as well but as they go through they should all probably learn and develope before facing Genesis or SF, whoever ends up at the top.)

[windwaker]

Kazu seems pretty confident (cocky maybe) about going against Highay circus but than O!G could have it that they actually are much better at the Run- they appear more expereinced and Kazu hasn't really gone against that many riders who focus on speed in this way so I think a lot of surprises are on the way. Time I don't think will be much help here so flame trick may or may not be on the way.

(Also if the team of virgins get through (a panel was devoted to them noticing Kog. defeated Inorganic net on their phones) I can imagine they may be a future opponent just so onirigi can have some development but than Jiggy and the art guys got quite a bit of panel time as well but as they go through they should all probably learn and develope before facing Genesis or SF, whoever ends up at the top.)

Really if kazu can at least match them in speed its an automatic win. Since afterburner can win it at the last second no problem.

But im really hoping he shows more flame tricks, hes been leaning on time a bit too much.

[sabret00the]

Really if kazu can at least match them in speed its an automatic win. Since afterburner can win it at the last second no problem.

But im really hoping he shows more flame tricks, hes been leaning on time a bit too much.
Let's not ignore the fact that we've seen a glimpse of how they fight and it's not so simple as outpacing them.

[windwaker]

Let's not ignore the fact that we've seen a glimpse of how they fight and it's not so simple as outpacing them.

I only glanced over the chapter, so i didnt catch any specifics.

Mind enlightening me on this?

[sabret00the]

It's just the impression i got from this: http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/211/002/

That said, the dialogue basically says that they're showing Kogarasumaru a lot of respecting by not beginning the battle with thier arrival.

[windwaker]

It's just the impression i got from this: http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/211/002/

That said, the dialogue basically says that they're showing Kogarasumaru a lot of respecting by not beginning the battle with thier arrival.

That just shows that HC doesnt just run, they attack as well...but thats obvious.

I still think that if kazu can match their pace, he can use time/flame abilities to come out on top relatively easily...one on one that is. I can see them leaving one of the slower riders for a little bit in order to gang up on kazu (who should be the biggest threat, given the style of the match).

Also, HC looks like they have solid teamwork, so im looking forward to see how that comes into play, since OSF didnt really have much to show as far as teamwork/strategy goes, besides a few combo attacks.

Finally, what is kazu's last recorded speed? since HC members can go 155 freakin mph

[Nee'lahn]

That just shows that HC doesnt just run, they attack as well...but thats obvious.

I still think that if kazu can match their pace, he can use time/flame abilities to come out on top relatively easily...one on one that is. I can see them leaving one of the slower riders for a little bit in order to gang up on kazu (who should be the biggest threat, given the style of the match).

Also, HC looks like they have solid teamwork, so im looking forward to see how that comes into play, since OSF didnt really have much to show as far as teamwork/strategy goes, besides a few combo attacks.

Finally, what is kazu's last recorded speed? since HC members can go 155 freakin mph

HC- 250 km/hr- I know picky of me since I make more mistakes ^^:

Well if they have read Kogarasumaru's states than they may well gang up on Kazu in which case he may not be speeding off on his own but with the attacking Ikki may have him covered as would Buccha.

[windwaker]

HC- 250 km/hr- I know picky of me since I make more mistakes ^^:

Well if they have read Kogarasumaru's states than they may well gang up on Kazu in which case he may not be speeding off on his own but with the attacking Ikki may have him covered as would Buccha.

Im interested to see how buccha does in this match, id love to see him wall ride a billboard/side of a truck/wall of a building to send him flying forward, it would be a good way to close the speed gap. Then he could just grab a guy(who would shit his pants), while buccha just goes "MWHAHAHAHA" with that angry/hungry face he has.

Ikki wont have that much trouble in the speed department, hell just use wind abilities to keep up/pass, hell also most likely be all over the highway just causing a chaos among their ranks due to his versatility and cleverness.

And according to a no doubt super reliable internet converter (sarcasm), 250 km/h is about 155 mph. so THERE! jk.

[Nee'lahn]

And according to a no doubt super reliable internet converter (sarcasm), 250 km/h is about 155 mph. so THERE! jk.

Didn't think of that- should use my brain before posting, you have my most sincere apologises =3.

[windwaker]

Didn't think of that- should use my brain before posting, you have my most sincere apologises =3.

Ha its all good, when was the last time Kazu's speed was recorded?

Because 155 mph is really really fast.

Cuz im hoping that while kazu is faster in raw speed, HC members know how to use their speed in more creative/better ways.

[sabret00the]

Ha its all good, when was the last time Kazu's speed was recorded?

Because 155 mph is really really fast.

Cuz im hoping that while kazu is faster in raw speed, HC members know how to use their speed in more creative/better ways.
The problem with Kazu's speed is that we know it's beyond that of the human eye, but we've never seen him dash at that speed, only apply time techniques at that speed*.

* not counting going missing in the cube of course.

[windwaker]

Guess we gotta wait for some science nut to look out how fast you have to be to be invisible to the human eye.

Is it even possible to convert Frames per second to KMH or MPH?

But im pretty sure that definitely makes him faster than 155 mph. Since at that youd still see a blur.

[sabret00the]

The human eye see's as a max of 60 frames per second i believe.

[windwaker]

Yea but what is 60 fps converted into mph?

[sabret00the]

Yea but what is 60 fps converted into mph?
Around 42mph.

[windwaker]

Around 42mph.


How does that make sense? Maybe thats just what we can keep up with to a certain distance, but obviously we can both see things moving at 42mph, easily.

[KzTxL7]

The human eye see's as a max of 60 frames per second i believe.

We can see much faster than 60 frames per second. ~60 fps is just the average norm we see.

[windwaker]

We can see much faster than 60 frames per second. ~60 fps is just the average norm we see.

I thought it was something like this. Im still wondering how fast something would have to move to be completely invisible to the naked eye.

[sabret00the]

I thought it was something like this. Im still wondering how fast something would have to move to be completely invisible to the naked eye.
there are other facts to take into consideration. which include reflection (material), heat, angle and other stuff. But it's relatively safe to assume that in the right conditions, you wouldn't have to move too fast.

[windwaker]

there are other facts to take into consideration. which include reflection (material), heat, angle and other stuff. But it's relatively safe to assume that in the right conditions, you wouldn't have to move too fast.

is "not too fast" over 200? or am i just superhuman?

[GravityZero]

Distance counts too. You wont be able to see something at a thousand miles per hour move past when it's five feet from you, but you'll easily spot it five hundred feet away because the field of vision's drastically increased. Nothing but light moves so fast that we "can't see it" unless it too small or dull to make out. We're able to see bullets move when they're lit up (called tracing rounds), but otherwise we can't because they're to fast when we're close and too small when we're far.

[windwaker]

Distance counts too. You wont be able to see something at a thousand miles per hour move past when it's five feet from you, but you'll easily spot it five hundred feet away because the field of vision's drastically increased. Nothing but light moves so fast that we "can't see it" unless it too small or dull to make out. We're able to see bullets move when they're lit up (called tracing rounds), but otherwise we can't because they're to fast when we're close and too small when we're far.

Well from 10/15 meters away a car traveling about 180-200 mph is a recognizable blur.

So i think kazu is faster than that.

But either way its kind of pointless since manga character eyes are much much better than human eyes, same with reaction time. Otherwise kazu would not be able to even control himself going as fast as he does.

[Nee'lahn]

Well Kazu is fastest on Kogarasumaru and many people have complimented his speed but than it seems that most king riders can compete with his speed/ his speed competes with the speed of kings as shown with Gambashi and Om, he does seem capable be moving faster than people can see from a distance such as when he pushed om and even the spectaors (who I presume were some distance away) said they didn't even see him. However O!G may be building up to the point that he isn't the fastest on AT, I don't know what the max speed is possible on AT (if there is a limit) but most flame road users or the very talented ones can achieve short bursts of speed beyond human sight (Aeon a notable example as were the consequences) as for a sustainable amount of speed over a greater distance you wouldn't go as fast as a short burst, that could be a factor. On the other hand Kazu can zoom around a box for a long time (invisible to the camera and possibly human eye- for arguments sake its possible in manga world) and has run all round town (jumped over bridges etc running from a king- btw when he jumped the bridge did he jump a greater distance than Ikki did on the devils 30 30?). I agree with it all depends on distance size and light whether its too fast to see but it may not make much difference when they will probably have to go slower because its not a straight forward dash its don't get run over/ beat up as you race dash.

[Wolfe]

A little off topic, but it is indeed the second round matchup (Koga versus Highway Circus). Apparently, Highway Circus has already progressed beyond a match, and Koga's first match was against OST. So, the match between Koga and Highway Circus is a second matchup. "Run" is the type of battle. Also, it is rather interesting that, even though Koga defeated OST, their ranking doesn't seem have to changed, and also, it is the Highway Circus that's stating the type of battle, and the area. It most certainly can be of their superior rank "A", I guess. It seems that battle will be very intense and fast paced. Hope to see some great action in 231!

Sabret00the mentioned that this kind of battle could like a moving, high paced Cube battle. I feel the same, and what is the USP, is the open area, and hazards that can be both foe and allies alike to the riders. And, yeah, I just had a funny thought, even though Onigiri is the pervert rider who handled Rika easily, the female rider in the Highway Circus looks to be a lot more covered than Rika and Mimasaka (Gorgon Shell), and if she defeats Onigiri and renders him powerless, heck, it will be just utterly crazy to see...

[bg20102]

Dude that would be a hard battle since the team KOGA is facin can go 200+ kph !!! KOGA needs a plan!!! Next chapter is going to be awsome!!!

[windwaker]

A little off topic, but it is indeed the second round matchup (Koga versus Highway Circus). Apparently, Highway Circus has already progressed beyond a match, and Koga's first match was against OST. So, the match between Koga and Highway Circus is a second matchup. "Run" is the type of battle. Also, it is rather interesting that, even though Koga defeated OST, their ranking doesn't seem have to changed, and also, it is the Highway Circus that's stating the type of battle, and the area. It most certainly can be of their superior rank "A", I guess. It seems that battle will be very intense and fast paced. Hope to see some great action in 231!

Sabret00the mentioned that this kind of battle could like a moving, high paced Cube battle. I feel the same, and what is the USP, is the open area, and hazards that can be both foe and allies alike to the riders. And, yeah, I just had a funny thought, even though Onigiri is the pervert rider who handled Rika easily, the female rider in the Highway Circus looks to be a lot more covered than Rika and Mimasaka (Gorgon Shell), and if she defeats Onigiri and renders him powerless, heck, it will be just utterly crazy to see...

It is odd that koga did not rank up, maybe they did and it was just not mentioned? Beating OSF should have definitely put them to rank A.

I see it as more of like Ikki's and Ringo's battle. As in, a 5 vs. 5 battle basically "on rails." Like, throughout the entire battle they will be speeding down and around the highway, which should make the battle really interesting, with changing traffic, buildings, billboards and stuff like that.

And you think that a fully clothed girl can stop Onigiri? FOOL! It wouldnt matter if a girl was wearing 7 overcoats and a helmet. Onigiri's peircing stare would still be enough to mess with her. :)

[Wolfe]

And you think that a fully clothed girl can stop Onigiri? FOOL! It wouldnt matter if a girl was wearing 7 overcoats and a helmet. Onigiri's peircing stare would still be enough to mess with her. :)

Meh, lol, that's why I said it was a funny thought ;)

Anyways, who is the next opponent of Koga, now the Highway Circus has been defeated?

[windwaker]

Jiggy, Alumite drop, Material candy, or that TV group team.

And all of those teams are supposedly worse than Highway circus.

So it would not surprise me if koga just ran through all the other teams just to face genesis.

LAME.