Ikki a gravity child??

[TuskOte]

hmmm i have this thing in my mind since he was handed to rika by the same dude???

[penguinism]

i think he may be a "gravity parent" :p...not a gravity child, but the son of one of the researchers...like all the at's and gravity children were based off of 1 researchers abilities, then ikki is the guys son or something like that

[TuskOte]

i think he may be a "gravity parent" :p...not a gravity child, but the son of one of the researchers...like all the at's and gravity children were based off of 1 researchers abilities, then ikki is the guys son or something like that

but what about if he is not the son of the resercheer aftell al the manga at one point puts him as the one most loved by the wind so i woild thin he might be one but like a variation of the others

[Hyuver]

Even if there is a possibility that he is a gravity children but he is still the imperfect one like Kilik, Sora, Spitfire etc, cause he cannot withstand the gravity pressure on the forest

[spaz4tw]

Is that what gravity children were suppose to be used for? Or was it just there skills or something? But Ikkis father is the one that did all of that research and testing to make sora and ringo and etc into gravity children it could be a high possiblity that he is something like that or different in a certain way.

[Black Rabbit]

i really hope ikki's not a gravity child or some strange version of one. that would mean he was just born to kick ***... but i'm on the fence on what i want and whats probably true. i'd say there's like a 50/50 chance that he's sorta superhuman and if so, like have others have said it would defeat the purpose of having "a normal rider climbing to the top" motif which if not the case would be disappointing. if minami ikki, if that's his real name, is not gravity child then thats all the better and i think a better storyline. but then again there is the undeniable fact that his "father" is a researcher. so yeah i think it really can go either way. but yeah who knows what will happen.

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

i doubt he's a gravity child he doesnt wear the contacts, he would know if he was, and @hyuver kilik was a perfect gravity child i think

[Wolf]

A tribute to our innate ability to pwn teh hell out of anythnig we pour our souls into?

Ikki better be a good ole human.

Initiate, dedicate, annihilate

[Hyuver]

i doubt he's a gravity child he doesnt wear the contacts, he would know if he was, and @hyuver kilik was a perfect gravity child i think

Well during his time he is the most perfect one but after seeing Ringo could withstand the gravity in the forest I think she should be called the perfect one

[penguinism]

ya its implied ikki is a human, cuz kilik talks about how ikki might be the human to prove him wrong(that no human is capable of the sky regalia)...so goin with how ikki is human i came to the conclusion of him being son of a researcher

[TuskOte]

Well during his time he is the most perfect one but after seeing Ringo could withstand the gravity in the forest I think she should be called the perfect one

but remenber that ringo said that she is use to no tha she is the only one

[penguinism]

Well during his time he is the most perfect one but after seeing Ringo could withstand the gravity in the forest I think she should be called the perfect one

mm no...ringo can only withstand it due to her regalia, it puts such a strain on her body that shes grown accustomed to the pain so that she can endure the gravity

[Raenef]

Minami Itsuki's father - known in the Manga as Mr. Minami, brought 3 gravity children [ringo, mikan, ume] to Rika's responsibility.

Best bet here i think...is that Ikki's Mr.Minami's son who was born naturally [not manufactured for research like other gravy kids] and was made used to the Zero-Gravity surroundings maybe, as Mr. Minami appears to be one of the researchers of the Gravy Kids.

[chrollo]

i think it would be cool if he himself was a regalia and it could happen cause air gear already has so many plot twist's that even M. Night Shyamalan would be jealous

[TuskOte]

i think it would be cool if he himself was a regalia and it could happen cause air gear already has so many plot twist's that even M. Night Shyamalan would be jealous

this sounds like fun!!

[WillamMT]

I personally thought that Ikki might be the control. Because the gravity children seemed to be a weapons project. You know build the better soldier, Faster, Stronger, and Able to do insane things. If you build a weapon you ALWAYS build a weapon control system. So maybe Ikki is the control system meant to keep the rest in line. I know crazy theory but who knows could be true.


Willam

[Katsuomori]

i think he may be a "gravity parent" :p...not a gravity child, but the son of one of the researchers...like all the at's and gravity children were based off of 1 researchers abilities, then ikki is the guys son or something like that

I do have to agree with that one... Ikki might be one of the reseacher's son or perhaps (I'm not to sure about this) one of the unique speciment of the research itself. Rika once said that Ikki was brought into Noyamoto's house because of a friend's request (Ikki's parents) just as how Ringo, Mikan and Ume came to the Noyamoto's residence.

Perhaps, Ikki is an ordinary storm rider who happened to have amazing talents that are with par with the gravity children just like Rika (the former Thorn Queen)

On the other hand, he might be some special something that is related to the gravity children though he may not need the cross eyes. What bothered me about denying the fact about Ikki being one of the Gravity Children (or perhaps a perfect version of the gravity children) is that as you all know from reading the part in the manga when Ikki was fixing his AT using Kazu and Onigiri's AT parts (before his debut battle against Bucha) , Ringo introduced to him the Trick Pass. Ikki was excited about it though he don't know what's a trick pass. Suddenly he came into some sort of trance where his irises were like grided lines as he imagined that he's in the blue print of the trick pass (that's how he managed to see the school's pole and which he did the Upper Soul 1800)

That trance happed again during the solo battle against Ringo. The part when Ikki was falling down to the river. Of course, Kururu managed to reach there on time before he really hit's the river and she jumped to him. When she asked him about how much time they have before they hit the waters, Ikki's irises began to show that grided lines as he analyze the distance and time (perhaps like the Toul Tools Too members does). Plus in connection to this, he was able to see the Infinity Atmosphere (like a grided road).

For now, it's best that we shouldn't jump into conclusions that Ikki is a Gravity Child as for now, such claims are not confirmed. After all, gravity children's eyes have cross eyes right?

[Hyuver]

I think the main reason that Rika doesn't allow him to do AT is also because he is unlike the other Noyamano that is gravity children which is normally better at riding AT

[zxcvbn]

It's pretty clear, with a little bit of thought, that Ikki is NOT a Gravity Child.
Reasons:
1.The most obvious: Ikki doesn't have the Gravity Children's signature features: The crosses on their eyes and their ability to adapt to zero gravity(even Ume pwned him).

2.After emphasising all the sheer hard work that Ikki's done training to bring himself up from a beginner to a King, It would be a total copout to show him as some genetically engineered super stormrider.

3.Being naturally talented at something doesn't mean you're genetically engineered for it. Genetic engineering is just man trying to imitate nature.

[chrollo]

It's pretty clear, with a little bit of thought, that Ikki is NOT a Gravity Child.
Reasons:
1.The most obvious: Ikki doesn't have the Gravity Children's signature features: The crosses on their eyes and their ability to adapt to zero gravity(even Ume pwned him).


i thought the only reason the gravity children can adapt to zero gravity is because they were raised in it for several years
personlly i think if ikki was a gravity child he would be like sora's clone only perfected

[zxcvbn]

i thought the only reason the gravity children can adapt to zero gravity is because they were raised in it for several years
personlly i think if ikki was a gravity child he would be like sora's clone only perfected

ATs were originally meant to be used in zero gravity and so the Gravity Children's bodies were specially adadpted for it. Kilik says in chapter 154 that all Gravity Children have 'Solid Sensitivity' and 'Biomass Gyroscopes' in their bodies which make them naturally suited to zero gravity. Ordinary human riders like Rika had to train hard to attain such abilities.

[pngo]

I think they maybe experimented on him or something because how the hell spitfire knew about him before he even started ATs?

[Thunderlord]

In Bushou Renkin the main character(Kazuki) transforms to victor 3 when his desire to fight on takes over him. Maybe Ikki might have something that he doesn't know of that could trigger within him and turn him into a GC. just a thought ^^

[midorika]

Lolz... as long as his complexion doesn't turn brown and his hair doesn't become luminous green.... Yeah, I would like to see that happen... Then all the more compatible he is with ringo... (I only have ringo in my thought.. and how she can be with ikki...) :p

[ikki-08]

I think they maybe experimented on him or something because how the hell spitfire knew about him before he even started ATs?

I think ikki is a second/stronger generation of gravity children. Becuse they said sora, kilik, and the others were to weak and to be exposed of. What if ikki was one of the children they kept. He may even be a clone of sora.

[chrollo]

I think ikki is a second/stronger generation of gravity children. Becuse they said sora, kilik, and the others were to weak and to be exposed of. What if ikki was one of the children they kept. He may even be a clone of sora.
thats almost exactly what i said

[zxcvbn]

I think ikki is a second/stronger generation of gravity children. Becuse they said sora, kilik, and the others were to weak and to be exposed of. What if ikki was one of the children they kept. He may even be a clone of sora.
Ikki isn't a Gravity Child, period. First or Second Generation. The Second Generation GravKids include people like Ringo, Mikan, Ume and Nue. For the reasons I stated previously, ikki isn't a GravKid.

[Raenef]

there was a LIST of ppl to be get rid of from the exGravityChildren group. Kilik and Sora weren't one of them. and yeah, Ikki ain't a gravity kid. all gravity kids where contact lenses [exception of kilik] to hide their cross on their pupils. ikki doesn't.

[Hyuver]

there was a LIST of ppl to be get rid of from the exGravityChildren group. Kilik and Sora weren't one of them. and yeah, Ikki ain't a gravity kid. all gravity kids where contact lenses [exception of kilik] to hide their cross on their pupils. ikki doesn't.

I think everybody is on the list of getting rid beside Kilik, Sora in the rid list

[chrollo]

well i still think he's part human part regalia

[zxcvbn]

well i still think he's part human part regalia
What!? You're not making sense.:D

[ikki-08]

well i still think he's part human part regalia

U really have got to clarify what u r saying bro.

[pngo]

Ok if you don't think he is a gravity child or they did some experiment on him, tell me how the hell spitfire and some other guys knew about him even before he started using ATS?

[chrollo]

What!? You're not making sense.:D

U really have got to clarify what u r saying bro.

i think it would be cool if he himself was a regalia and it could happen cause air gear already has so many plot twist's that even M. Night Shyamalan would be jealous
I was referring to the post I made earlier in this thread I thought it Would be obvious but I guess not

[zxcvbn]

Ok if you don't think he is a gravity child or they did some experiment on him, tell me how the hell spitfire and some other guys knew about him even before he started using ATS?
I'm sure we'll find that out eventually. Personally, I think it's because it's because of that 'Mr.Minami' person.

[SHInoSHIkamaru]

Ok if you don't think he is a gravity child or they did some experiment on him, tell me how the hell spitfire and some other guys knew about him even before he started using ATS?

Umm what are you talking about??? Wasn't it the Migratory Bird the one that scouted him out and told people about his "wings". And Ikki can't be a gravity child, if he was, then he would have learned ATs about the same time Rika taught it to her 3 sisters.

[Katsuomori]

Ok if you don't think he is a gravity child or they did some experiment on him, tell me how the hell spitfire and some other guys knew about him even before he started using ATS?

Well, Ikki was made notice by Simca during his battle with the Rez-ra-dogs as he demonstrate his ability to see the wing road. Of course at first, she don't really have that confidence in him when he was brutally beaten up by the opponent's leader. Heh, Mikan knew that he wouldn't fall that easily as she and Rika used him as their experiment for their wrestling moves... ouch. Anyway, that's not the point. What caught her attention was the fact that Ikki saw the wing road. She discussed the matter to Sora, Nike and the other girl who like to say 'Pyon' about Ikki and agreed that Ikki is the suitable canidate... no, the one is to be the main attention involving what they called the 'Rivival of the Wing King'. That's how Simca (though unaware the fact that Sora is just using her and Ikki to distract Kilik as they exercute their other plans) asked of Spitfire, one of the kings in Genesis, to keep a close eye upon Ikki.

You should know better that like the rest of the first generation of the Gravity children especially Kilik or Spitfire, none knew how many of them were made, when or where they were made. So they have no idea if Ikki is a gravity children or not. They knew about Ringo, Mikan and Ume are gravity childrens from Rika herself. Gravity childrens have those crosses on their eyes and I think and do believe the fact that the new generation will ever have the same features as their previously made Gravity Children. This can be proven through Nue and his team that consist of little children as in the fact that Nue and those little childrens are gravity childrens (their eyes have cross eyes) and so they believed in Sora about their freedom as gravity childrens to roam the world.

Ikki is probably a human that posses some unusual capability which is with par with a normal gravity children have. Take for example, the present rumble king isn't a gravity children nor the Fang King himself. Rika isn't a gravity children but she shows her capability to be as equal as the rest of the gravity children. Ike isn't a gravity children but the daughter of a professor that was involved in the project of creating gravity childrens and the regelia as well. Some roads don't need kings like the Apollon Road.

Like wise, though gravity childrens are natural kings, it doesn't mean that a mere human can be a king though it's considered rare at most times...

Somehow, Ikki has some unusual abilities like the ability to analyze even the smallest details found on the trick path. As if you recall his first introduction to the trick path, he would fell into some sort of trance as his eyes began to show the grid of the path. The scene shows that he was in the grided 3-D lined of the trick path (That's how he saw that pole of which he did the upper soul 1800). Another time is when he fell off from the roof during the battle with Ringo as his AT's were broken. Sure that Kururu managed to catch him on time but when she asked how much time do they have left before they really hit the river, Ikki showed the same grided eyes as he began to analyze the distance and time. Using that so-called abillity to analyze distance and time as everything around him looked like a blueprint plan, he saw the infinite atmosphere.

From now... Ikki is probably a normal human that have the rare ability to be as par as a normal gravity children. But as for now, Ikki as the gravity Children is unknown and perhaps Oh!Great might use that fact to surprise everyone. Who knows.

[Echo104b]

Personally i think that Ikkii is a third Generation Gravity Child. A Final perfected version that was created out of the Head researcher's son.

at least thats what i think :)

i could be dead wrong :P

[fiabundem]

i think ikki is just a human not a gravity child.
ikki just amazing talent for ATs on par or even greater than that of the gravity children. the gravity children were engineered to be good at at ikki was not strength gain on ones own is better than if it was just given to him. the author will probably throw in a twist for ikki like givin him a real old brother or little sister actually related to him and make them evil =P

[chrollo]

i think ikki is just a human not a gravity child.
ikki just amazing talent for ATs on par or even greater than that of the gravity children. the gravity children were engineered to be good at at ikki was not strength gain on ones own is better than if it was just given to him. the author will probably throw in a twist for ikki like givin him a real old brother or little sister actually related to him and make them evil =Pno he will have an evil twin only even bigger twist Ikki is the evil one and his brothers name will be ikkI thats right Ikki spelled backwards dun dun dunnnnnn

[Katsuomori]

Personally i think that Ikkii is a third Generation Gravity Child. A Final perfected version that was created out of the Head researcher's son.

at least thats what i think :)

i could be dead wrong :P

You're wrong but I won't laugh at you anyway. During the previous Tricks (around Trick 170 or so), Nue revealed himself and his team members (All children around younger than Ikki's or perhaps around Ume's age) are gravity children. It's rather logical to say that Ikki isn't a gravity child since he doesn't have those cross eyes as the younger and newer generation of gravity children have cross eyes. On the other hand, if Ikki is the perfect version of the gravity children, the newer version of the gravity children wouldn't have those cross eyes just like Ikki. I'm sure that Ikki knew his body more than anyone else... so... he should have know if he had those cross eyes or now. Unfortunately... he doesn't which makes him not. But there might be a connection between him and those gravity children. In fact, Rika has some connection with one of the researchers which brings to the reason why Rika were trusted by that mysterious researcher to look after Ringo, Mikan and Ume. As for Ikki... he might be a son of one of the researchers (just like Ike, the former Pledge Queen) or perhaps he was sent to Rika by just a normal parents. Who knows... that's why we shouldn't jump into conclusion that Ikki is a gravity children.

[chrollo]

You're wrong but I won't laugh at you anyway. During the previous Tricks (around Trick 170 or so), Nue revealed himself and his team members (All children around younger than Ikki's or perhaps around Ume's age) are gravity children. It's rather logical to say that Ikki isn't a gravity child since he doesn't have those cross eyes as the younger and newer generation of gravity children have cross eyes. On the other hand, if Ikki is the perfect version of the gravity children, the newer version of the gravity children wouldn't have those cross eyes just like Ikki. I'm sure that Ikki knew his body more than anyone else... so... he should have know if he had those cross eyes or now. Unfortunately... he doesn't which makes him not. But there might be a connection between him and those gravity children. In fact, Rika has some connection with one of the researchers which brings to the reason why Rika were trusted by that mysterious researcher to look after Ringo, Mikan and Ume. As for Ikki... he might be a son of one of the researchers (just like Ike, the former Pledge Queen) or perhaps he was sent to Rika by just a normal parents. Who knows... that's why we shouldn't jump into conclusion that Ikki is a gravity children.yep you have a good point unless of course those eyes are something they get after birth

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

if ikki was a gravity child it would fck up the story big time, ikki is supposed to be the underdog, what makes him so great it that he isnt a gravity child, the fact that he possess such great talent and not being a gravity child is what sets him apart, and thats what makes him easier to relate too, if O!G makes him a grav child, it kinda kills the purpose

[chrollo]

he doesnt really seem like much of an underdog to me i mean he saw the sky road in the first volume and oh great has been hinting that he isnt a normal human like how he has air moving inside of him thats not normal

[Dgames]

i think ikki is the son of the researcher's leader the guy and when the guy saw his project was failing he left ikki at ringo's house

[Katsuomori]

he doesnt really seem like much of an underdog to me i mean he saw the sky road in the first volume and oh great has been hinting that he isnt a normal human like how he has air moving inside of him thats not normal

Sky Road? It's the wing road. It's just an ordinary road that was "said to be" closest to the sky road. Gravity children have natural potentials to have easily seen such road. But it doesn't mean that you have to be a gravity children to the road. You got to have talents and skills just to have one. The first volume was an intro for Ikki about the wing road which he got it after he got his ATs overcharged by that train cable. It was quite a brilliant thing to do but he didn't actually (in fact Simca as well didn't actually) expect to see the road. Kazu was able to create the flame road just by seeing and he's a normal guy, Agito was able to create the fang road and he's a normal guy... it's just riders who happened to find the road that choose them and they just followed it. I'm not too sure about what do you mean about Oh!Great! hinting that he's not a normal human. If he's not a normal human, then he's something else... perhaps something that is connected to the gravity children but doesn't lead to the fact that he's one.

i think ikki is the son of the researcher's leader the guy and when the guy saw his project was failing he left ikki at ringo's house

^ Well, if he's had ssaw his project failing, he wouldn't have created the newer generations of gravity children that have the same eyes as the predicestors. (the evidence is the masked little children that were in Nue's team... they are gravity children as well as Nue)

[Life]

I hope he's not one and the perfect Gravity child is Ringo its been proven.

[zxcvbn]

he doesnt really seem like much of an underdog to me i mean he saw the sky road in the first volume and oh great has been hinting that he isnt a normal human like how he has air moving inside of him thats not normal
Yup, that's not normal. But 'not normal' doesn't mean 'man-made'. Ikki just happens to be exceptionally talented at ATs(NATURAL BORN TALENT). Plus he is favoured by the Wind God('loved by the wind').

Another example of natural born talent is Harry Potter's natural talent for flying(he was able to fly like a pro on his first try). That wasn't achieved through genetic engineering. It was granted by Mother Nature.

[chrollo]

Yup, that's not normal. But 'not normal' doesn't mean 'man-made'. Ikki just happens to be exceptionally talented at ATs(NATURAL BORN TALENT). Plus he is favoured by the Wind God('loved by the wind').

Another example of natural born talent is Harry Potter's natural talent for flying(he was able to fly like a pro on his first try). That wasn't achieved through genetic engineering. It was granted by Mother Nature.
well yeah because it's a fictional story about magic so I doubt there is goanna be a lot of talk about genetic engineering in Harry Potter

Sky Road? It's the wing road. It's just an ordinary road that was "said to be" closest to the sky road. Gravity children have natural potentials to have easily seen such road. But it doesn't mean that you have to be a gravity children to the road. You got to have talents and skills just to have one. The first volume was an intro for Ikki about the wing road which he got it after he got his ATs overcharged by that train cable. It was quite a brilliant thing to do but he didn't actually (in fact Simca as well didn't actually) expect to see the road. Kazu was able to create the flame road just by seeing and he's a normal guy, Agito was able to create the fang road and he's a normal guy... it's just riders who happened to find the road that choose them and they just followed it. I'm not too sure about what do you mean about Oh!Great! hinting that he's not a normal human. If he's not a normal human, then he's something else... perhaps something that is connected to the gravity children but doesn't lead to the fact that he's one.



^ Well, if he's had ssaw his project failing, he wouldn't have created the newer generations of gravity children that have the same eyes as the predicestors. (the evidence is the masked little children that were in Nue's team... they are gravity children as well as Nue)well has anyone ever thought that other countries might be creating their own gravity children and if that's true then it wouldn't surprise me if Ikki was made differently from the other gravity children which could be why he has regular eyes

[Katsuomori]

well yeah because it's a fictional story about magic so I doubt there is goanna be a lot of talk about genetic engineering in Harry Potter

well has anyone ever thought that other countries might be creating their own gravity children and if that's true then it wouldn't surprise me if Ikki was made differently from the other gravity children which could be why he has regular eyes

There is a point that there are some other countries creating their own version of gravity children. If so, then Ikki shouldn't be the only one. But somehow I have a feeling that it's just a generic thread that all gravity children has cross eyes and their only imperfecture is the capabillity to use AT in a perfect and solid skill. But I'm open to the fact that the gravity children made at other countries might have their own unique traits different then the Japan branch. But it wouldn't make sense on why does a lot of countries would want the secret behind the project of ATs.

Somehow, that tower has some connection to both the AT and the gravity children. After all, the reason of them being created is rather unsure to me. From what I know... the reason of gravity children being created is connected to the reseach of wheteher if any children can be created under zero gravity artificially. But the main reason for the AT and the Sky regelia had been created is unknown.

Still I have no idea why more gravity children are created... as for Ikki... I'm not sure if he's a gravity children or perhaps just someone who happen to have some natural talents. But from what I can see now... he's just a talented person who trained very hard just to perform such complicated tricks. There are some unusuality that I think no human nor talented ones can obtain but I'll keep that as a mystery and it's best if it's kept that way to maintain my forever interest towards this manga. Most of all, to make many to discuss about this with many theories of their own.

[chrollo]

There is a point that there are some other countries creating their own version of gravity children. If so, then Ikki shouldn't be the only one. But somehow I have a feeling that it's just a generic thread that all gravity children has cross eyes and their only imperfecture is the capabillity to use AT in a perfect and solid skill. But I'm open to the fact that the gravity children made at other countries might have their own unique traits different then the Japan branch. But it wouldn't make sense on why does a lot of countries would want the secret behind the project of ATs.

Somehow, that tower has some connection to both the AT and the gravity children. After all, the reason of them being created is rather unsure to me. From what I know... the reason of gravity children being created is connected to the reseach of wheteher if any children can be created under zero gravity artificially. But the main reason for the AT and the Sky regelia had been created is unknown.

Still I have no idea why more gravity children are created... as for Ikki... I'm not sure if he's a gravity children or perhaps just someone who happen to have some natural talents. But from what I can see now... he's just a talented person who trained very hard just to perform such complicated tricks. There are some unusuality that I think no human nor talented ones can obtain but I'll keep that as a mystery and it's best if it's kept that way to maintain my forever interest towards this manga. Most of all, to make many to discuss about this with many theories of their own.
personally i don't buy into ikki being a gravity child but it is possible with Oh Great's plot twists and the main character in tenjo tenge turned out to be special so i wouldn't be surprised if he did the same to Ikki

[Katsuomori]

personally i don't buy into ikki being a gravity child but it is possible with Oh Great's plot twists and the main character in tenjo tenge turned out to be special so i wouldn't be surprised if he did the same to Ikki

^ That's what I had in mind about Oh!Great's possible plot twist. We'll just have to see just to believe. ^^

[zxcvbn]

well yeah because it's a fictional story about magic so I doubt there is goanna be a lot of talk about genetic engineering in Harry Potter


Airgear is also a fictional story, and while there's no magic, there's plenty of farfetched magical/sci-fi stuff that wouldn't make sense in real life.

well has anyone ever thought that other countries might be creating their own gravity children and if that's true then it wouldn't surprise me if Ikki was made differently from the other gravity children which could be why he has regular eyes

Until now all the major happenings in the AT world have been in Japan(discussed in the 'Global AT War' thread). Besides if another country made a gravity child Ikki why would it be Japanese?

[brbailey]

There is the possibility that Ikki is a probably the son of a researcher and he could also be like the father of the newer generation gravity children because they saw natural talent in him when he was born and used him as a blueprint.

[Katsuomori]

I'm totally lost by what you're all saying.

Anyway, I'm out with my theories about Ikki now and I still don't think (majority thinking) that Ikki is a gravity children but just a simple Japanese with a natural talent for AT which enables him to be where he is now and he worked hard in his training in ATs (most of the times by his own). He has two to four girls who are in love with him and still he's a bird brain about relationship. Had some serious difficulty in letting go his c**p and always take off his clothes when doing his own personal "business". Does that sound like a gravity children to you?

[midorika]

Yeah.. he's a bird brain... there's a crow living on his head after all.. Haven't seen that for a long time.. isn't it... hmmm...
It would be nice to have some interesting plus exciting plot twist...
The pace is getting slower now... Hope it will pick up real soon...

[Raenef]

just loled. what's with the sensitivity? xD
+...i wonder how u found zxcvbn a racist. his comments were fine. o_O

[Legendary Z]

So yeah ikkie in my opion should not be a gravity child the only thing going is the no parents thing and also wouldnt His eyes be the crosses already?? come on use your brian

(Get back on topic no one is a racist here)

[penguinism]

listen, this is stopping right now. no one is being racist, if u feel they are PM me and explain EXACTLY why u feel theyre being racist. racism is a serious matter IF people are being racist, and it should be dealt with in private as such because it is such a touchy subject. if u feel someone is beign racist and u pm me we'll discuss it in private and ill take the appropriate measures IF u can convince me theyre being racist.

any more more talk of this and i will lock this thread and give out warnings as needed, which i dont want to do because this is a very good topic as far as manga plotline goes.

[SHInoSHIkamaru]

Wow, you guys are just rambling on. Like Penguinism said, I don't even think that Ikki is a gravity child. As they said, that child is loved by the wind. hmmm what can that mean. They wouldn't even say that about a gravity child. And look at Rika, Yo****sune, Benkei, Agito, and Akira, those riders weren't gravity childs and look how good they turned out. Just becuase they are good doesn't mean that they are a gravity child. and don't all gravity children have crosses on their eyes?? And those of you who still believe that he is a gravity child then how come Ikki doesn't have crossed eyes when Nue's team of younger children do??

[chrollo]

So yeah ikkie in my opion should not be a gravity child the only thing going is the no parents thing and also wouldnt His eyes be the crosses already?? come on use your brian


Wow, you guys are just rambling on. Like Penguinism said, I don't even think that Ikki is a gravity child. As they said, that child is loved by the wind. hmmm what can that mean. They wouldn't even say that about a gravity child. And look at Rika, Yo****sune, Benkei, Agito, and Akira, those riders weren't gravity childs and look how good they turned out. Just becuase they are good doesn't mean that they are a gravity child. and don't all gravity children have crosses on their eyes?? And those of you who still believe that he is a gravity child then how come Ikki doesn't have crossed eyes when Nue's team of younger children do??
i think that i already stated one possibility to why he doesnt have crossed eyes so i'll just quote my self below so you don't to take the two or three minute to read the previous posts

yep you have a good point unless of course those eyes are something they get after birth

[zxcvbn]

And those of you who still believe that he is a gravity child then how come Ikki doesn't have crossed eyes when Nue's team of younger children do??
Exactly. The youngest Gravity Children we've seen so far are kids like Ume and Nue's team members, who are 2nd generation GravKids. If there is even a 3rd generation of GravKids, then Ikki is too old to be one of them.

[Satralis]

but we dont know why they are called secound generation grav kids... it may not be relateed to time but to type or something. Ikki may be a one and a half generation ^^ or a completely different project.

[Setsuna]

No, there's no way he's a gravity child. He may be related to the accident, and one of the researchers in the group, but he is definitly not a gravity child. He couldn't withstand the pressure in the towers, and he isn't abnormally strong in the tower like Ume, Kilik, Ringo, and etc. Besides, if he was, the story would be too boring, since he would be storm king AND a gravity child. He would easily beat everyone in the whole tower, because it gives him superhuman powers. Other than that, Ikki does have a special ability I think. What kind of human is loved by the wind so much, that when they jump off a huge building, they are saved by a bird? Lol. And, Ikki is already good as it is, it's just that he still has dormant potential that he hasn't unleashed yet. And, if Ikki was in fact a gravity child, he would've been in Sleeping Forest and known about ATs at the same time Ringo and the others found out. They wouldn't be keeping secrets from him, or keeping ATs away from him.

[ky0n01]

Or probably that's what Oh!GREAT want us to think.
What if Ikki is the perfect version of Sora? And about the eyes, they couldve just removed it. Buuut we still don't know anything about Ikki's parents so we can't be sure of this.

[spaz4tw]

No, there's no way he's a gravity child. He may be related to the accident, and one of the researchers in the group, but he is definitly not a gravity child. He couldn't withstand the pressure in the towers, and he isn't abnormally strong in the tower like Ume, Kilik, Ringo, and etc. Besides, if he was, the story would be too boring, since he would be storm king AND a gravity child. He would easily beat everyone in the whole tower, because it gives him superhuman powers. Other than that, Ikki does have a special ability I think. What kind of human is loved by the wind so much, that when they jump off a huge building, they are saved by a bird? Lol. And, Ikki is already good as it is, it's just that he still has dormant potential that he hasn't unleashed yet. And, if Ikki was in fact a gravity child, he would've been in Sleeping Forest and known about ATs at the same time Ringo and the others found out. They wouldn't be keeping secrets from him, or keeping ATs away from him.

Ringo is the only one that can withstand the tower because of her road everyone else has a hard time in there...

[Krell]

He might be a gravity child, and that at a early age was taken out of the facility

[kazekage36]

but even if he was taken out at an early age, you would think his eyes would be the same as the other gravity children. the first and second generations had the crossed eyes, and nue had the kid stormriders take of their contacts to prove that they were gravity children. the way they emphasize the fact that gravity children have special eyes make it seem like ikki should have them to, if he was a gravity child. but he doesn't, so i'd have to say no he is not a gravity child

[rasenshuriken]

but even if he was taken out at an early age, you would think his eyes would be the same as the other gravity children. the first and second generations had the crossed eyes, and nue had the kid stormriders take of their contacts to prove that they were gravity children. the way they emphasize the fact that gravity children have special eyes make it seem like ikki should have them to, if he was a gravity child. but he doesn't, so i'd have to say no he is not a gravity child

yep totally
ikki is definetly not a gravity child. one because he doesn't have the eyes, and the other is he acts like a total retard sometimes XD, which is way un-gravity child like. And when he was in the tower he couldn't stand the imense pressure like all the other gravity kids could. He was practically choking to death, while ringo, kilik and company were perfectly fine. and i don't think he was taken out of the facility early either. No way ikki is a gravity child period.

[takumi2004]

actually if you read chapter 152 everyone but ringo was having problems its just that ikki and Co. were having more problems. probably due to the fact that they don't have the chance to experience that kind of pressure.

is ikki's last name really Minami or is it only that because rikas "uncle Minami" gave ikki to her?

[Krell]

yep totally
ikki is definetly not a gravity child. one because he doesn't have the eyes, and the other is he acts like a total retard sometimes XD, which is way un-gravity child like. And when he was in the tower he couldn't stand the imense pressure like all the other gravity kids could. He was practically choking to death, while ringo, kilik and company were perfectly fine. and i don't think he was taken out of the facility early either. No way ikki is a gravity child period.

In chapter 147 near the end Ikki when he first enter the place he says he knows the place, as if he had been there before with his trick-pass. If he ain't a gravity child it for sure he had already been there before. My guess is he's a gravity child, but different or just been there before.

[hayateblitz]

In chapter 147 near the end Ikki when he first enter the place he says he knows the place, as if he had been there before with his trick-pass. If he ain't a gravity child it for sure he had already been there before. My guess is he's a gravity child, but different or just been there before.

I think chapter 147 will be the second time he's been there. The first time was when he was following Ringo and the others.. more like stalking them early in the manga (The first time he met the old man and got the wing regalia core) remember the change in dinner menu as a "signal" for something? :)

ikki could be a gravity child. He was given to Rika to look after by this mysterious uncle wasnt he? (just like Ringo + others were). *i think. correct me if i'm wrong >.<

so the only problem are his eyes.. he cant have been wearing contacts for the rest of his life.. that would be a bit extreme. Maybe he's like this "superior"/uncertified-still-in-experimental-stage gavity child, that's why Rika said that his potential in ATs are not of the norm. <or something along those lines :P so what she meant was that his potential was greater than the norm for that of a gravity child? And so she let's Ringo and the others play with ATs but not him >.>

[Leave]

While it's believable that he might be a Gravity Child, as evidenced by his almost uncanny progression in a short time, I would rather he wasn't. I mean, so much of the series is about the effort he puts into his training, and the dedication he has. It'd be pretty fruitless if he was naturally awesome at A-T's.

[atoli]

While it's believable that he might be a Gravity Child, as evidenced by his almost uncanny progression in a short time, I would rather he wasn't. I mean, so much of the series is about the effort he puts into his training, and the dedication he has. It'd be pretty fruitless if he was naturally awesome at A-T's.

I agree. I mean, Ikki could be a Gravity Child, and there is some evidence to support that, but in the beginning, Ikki was supposed to be a regular kid who was just getting into AT for the first time, and he worked hard to become good at them. Plus, one of the big things was that he was just a beginner at AT, and he was surrounded by all those super-strong, beyond-nature teams (like Sleeping Forest, Genesis, etc.)

That was part of Ikki's appeal: he was just a regular guy who was new to the AT world. If he turns out to be a Gravity Child, that kind of defeats the purpose, if you know what I mean.

So, I'd like to see him being just a normal person, not a Gravity Child, in the end.

[takumi2004]

i wonder what ikki has to do with minami since ikki was give to rikka by a friend of their family called "uncle minami" i mean it may be a coincidence but iono it seems important.

[ggkfc]

like seriously there is a chance. like in bleach how ichigo seems to be a normal dude, they find out his dad's a ex- shinigami. similarly, perhaps sora is his dad?
*ikki, im your father (in darth vader *gasp)
heheh jking
but even if he is not a gravity child, it takes a special someone (even if its not physically special) to be ikki

[Blite]

Isn't it basically impossible for Ikki to be a gravity child do to the fact that he doesn't have those crosses in his eyes?

Maybe half gravity child? lol

[chaoticwings]

Ikki could be the last Gravity Children of the 2nd generation
or he could be the start of the 3rd generation, and that the 3rd dont hav the cross eyes?

[iz_yuri89]

well i'm be thinking for that also,there's a possibility that he might of them but you see i think that he is not truly the gravity child like the other ones cause the originall gravity child had a something symbol on their eyes but ikki doesn't have that

[Eberwolf]

Yeah, I doubt Ikki has contacts he doesn't know about. lol

[zxcvbn]

Ikki could be the last Gravity Children of the 2nd generation
or he could be the start of the 3rd generation, and that the 3rd dont hav the cross eyes?

I've already stated that Ikki is too old to be a 3rd generation GravKid, since the youngest 2nd gen GravKids like Ume are younger than Ikki. If there IS a 3rd generation then they're still small kids.

[Ice Dragon]

Thats as maybe, but you still have to look at the fact that maybe Ikki was made after the others, and before you say that thats impossible, maybe the kids in nue's group were made at the same time as the other but they only just got taken out of the tubes but Ikki was made after, and simply let out before the kids.

[salen11]

I think he could be the final version of GC - the result of experiments, but reserch data was lost while accident in lab (remember corpse with case in the tower). That was the reason to start experiment again (I think it's Sano corp., Aeon's father and others...) - as result the second generation of GC. And uncle Minami is the one of reserchers who tried to save kids.

[T.Y.]

i completely gave up thinking that ikki is a gravity child, i mean there are good riders who arent GC like Rika, she's a normy and so is agito and bunch of the kings. the fact that he was left with the GCs like Ringo as a child is still a mystery, i wish OG can start cluing in who Minami is

[Meech]

I don't think he is a GC because he isn't really that good. I mean he is not as good as a other GC plus what's the deal with the crow I think Ikki is probably like an off shoot of the GC may by like a 1.5 generation.

[Meech]

i completely gave up thinking that ikki is a gravity child, i mean there are good riders who arent GC like Rika, she's a normy and so is agito and bunch of the kings. the fact that he was left with the GCs like Ringo as a child is still a mystery, i wish OG can start cluing in who Minami is


sorry I got to point this out. you think that Agito is normal???

Minami is just hottness lol I kid I kid

[Miroku]

I'd say Ikki is a Gravity Child..... he had too good a control..... almost intuitively so.... for the air currents, and his mind sees things the way no other 'normal' person could.


Now, whether or not he's the same generation as some of the others, like Nue or Ume, is up for debate.... but I'm certain he is one of the experiment's results.

[T.Y.]

if he was a gravity child kilik would have ended his life when he was in the tower and dont u think everyone would have noticed he was a gravity child and told him about his existence? then dont u think he woukd have been trained and be forced to join SF as the new wind king? i dont know but the only ppl out of the GC who were able to feel the wind was the takeuchi brothers and they were failures. so its possible that ikki was just born with the ability to ride the wind

[dabid]

well if he was a gravity child and kilik would of killed him that means sleeping forrest would have no leader and be 3 people out, cause then he'd have to kill ringo and the other 2 cause they are gravity children, plus it could be and couldnt be true, all we no he will rip someones face of sooner or later

[Miroku]

Then why did the same 'Uncle Minami' who delivered the three other gravity children to Rika also deliver a 'perfectly normal' child like Ikki..... who bears a hell of a resemblance to Sora and his brother in hindsight.... to her as well?


What is 'Uncle Minaimi's' relation to the three of them? Genetic stock? Could Ikki be a clone, just not raised in a lab like the others?


I find it hard to believe Ikki's normal under those circumstances.

[remanzuo]

I've already stated that Ikki is too old to be a 3rd generation GravKid, since the youngest 2nd gen GravKids like Ume are younger than Ikki. If there IS a 3rd generation then they're still small kids.

Ringo is a gravity Child and Ringo is the same age as Ikki
so the there's possibility Ikki is one of the gravity child

[619latinoheatpaco]

ikki can not be a 3 generation gravity child because he aleady meet nue and the children that he protects and said that they were 2 generation gravity children also they are younger than him.

[zxcvbn]

We all saw how pathetic Ikki was inside the Trophaeum. Even Ume pwned him. If he can't adapt to the Zero Gravity there then how is he a Gravity Child?

[remanzuo]

We all saw how pathetic Ikki was inside the Trophaeum. Even Ume pwned him. If he can't adapt to the Zero Gravity there then how is he a Gravity Child?

I said there is a possibility
that means he might be or might not

OG might make him one of the gravity children
but Ikki didn't realize it and haven't had the graps of his power yet
well how knows ?

[T.Y.]

i'm think SF knows the existence of all the living GC because kilik said he will never forgive any GCs trying to get the sky regalia. if ikki was a GC woudnt his eyes have a cross in the middle? all the other GCs do and it doesnt seem like he is hiding them behind contacts. and if ikki was a GC how would he have forgotten that he was? sure his memory could have been lost but wouldnt his body react to the zero gravity? it seems all the GCs seem to be more free and in control in zero gravity

[HurricaneRoad]

it could also just be that ikki is a special gravity child.s :S

[Eberwolf]

I don't think he is... It seems to me, that Oh!Great would want a non gifted child like Ikki to become Sky King. Just to show that you don't need to be "special" to be great. Makes more sense than Ikki being a GC in my opinion.

[vash668]

I am new to this site but fell in love with air gear from the first read. I have read through all the posts in here and i don't think i saw mention how quick ikki was able to learn to control the wind with his hands when sora was training him in the hospital.

So far the concept i like best is that sora was made from the cells of ikki's dad and ikki is the son. their age difference is kinda perfect i think because that escape didn't happen until the GC were around for a good few years.(someone might need to help me look that up cause i couldn't find it right away how old they were). but to me the age difference is just right to be like that. Ikki's dad died when the GC were escaping and ikki's mom was with ikki at home. When the news came of ikki's dad's death, mom just couldn't take it and gave up on life (this all happened while ikki was too young to remember).

So ikki's dad taught sora the trick with controlling the wind but sora didn't know who he was. He was just a scientist or a professor to him or what ever you want to call it. So ikki's dad taught sora who taught ikki who is naturally good at it because his dad is the one that taught sora how to do it (if that makes sense).

Concerning his ability to 3d map an area. Some people can just do that. They can see the area once and create a 3d map of the area in their head from what they saw. When the see was is behind say the trash can it is added to their 3d map.

[Eberwolf]

I can kind of do something like what Ikki did with that map, except slightly less detailed.

[Synthwulf]

mmm it's kinda impossible for ikki to be a gravity child isn't it =/ since dey have a cross for thier iris and ikki doesn't have it. also it's impossible dat he wears contacts and not notice he was gravity child. He was shocked when the others had the iris

[whydoyouask]

Yes, the defining characteristic of a gravity child is the cross in the pupil, and Ikki might be one, but one that had not awakened yet, the reason for this is because we still don't know how ikki's and the four sister's parents were related.
And, wait, doesn't that mean that Ringo and her sisters parents were gravity children also. They never explain how one is a gravity child, or how one becomes a gravity child. This might also explain the parents disappearance. Cause remember they didn't die, the children were just given to one of their uncles.

[Parina]

if ikki was a gc... that would, uhm, suck.
it's better to have an "outsider" messing up sora's plans xDDDDD
and, almost all gc are too full of theirselves
(not that ikki's not xDD)

[paperbackmonk]

well if you think about it rika did get ringo and the rest who are gravity children and originally they had no training rika was also given ikki so there is a high possibility that ikki is a GC just hasnt been associated with other children or had the same training that ringo and the rest undoubtably had when shown to sleeping forest so im guessing that if ikki is his powers would no doubt be latent

[Devouring Strossus]

I don't realy think it.


- The Kikli's history was full of people talking things about "Normal riders can fly and even use regalias". So, I think Ikki is gonna show it as being the best one.

- Ikki don't have crossed eyes. All Gravity Childrens have it even if they don't want...

- We don't know a thing about his parents, but the oldest Gravity Childrens have Simca, Nike or Sora age... so... it's almost impossible to some "gravity children" be a parent of Ikki. Only if there is olders ones or someone realy (REALY) fast at that kind of thing (I mean making babys).

- I would not like this to happen. :P

[T.Y.]

Yes, the defining characteristic of a gravity child is the cross in the pupil, and Ikki might be one, but one that had not awakened yet, the reason for this is because we still don't know how ikki's and the four sister's parents were related.
And, wait, doesn't that mean that Ringo and her sisters parents were gravity children also. They never explain how one is a gravity child, or how one becomes a gravity child. This might also explain the parents disappearance. Cause remember they didn't die, the children were just given to one of their uncles.

there is no proof saying that ringo and the others have parents, just that they are gravity children, sure they probably have birth parents but they themselves were probably payed by the company to give birth, and as parina said, making ikki a gc would suck alot

[remanzuo]

- Ikki don't have crossed eyes. All Gravity Childrens have it even if they don't want...



IF GC have awaken their power then yes the cross will be shown

Spitfire didn't show his cross until he fought Nike
Orca didn't show his cross until he fought Agito
Ringo show didn't her cross until she met Ikki n Agito inside the tower
Sora only show his cross in the serious battle

then how do you explain about " even if they don't want part ? "

[Parina]

^they wear contacts oO
it has nothing to do with "awakening" them
or am I wrong xD ?

[Devouring Strossus]

I always see Contacts o.o

[T.Y.]

umm there is no awakening from what i've read so far, all the 1st generation GC or SF had crosses since birth, and the awakening u r mentioning i think its infinite atmosphere, they wear contacts to hide the fact that they are GC, if u see kilik he always have cross shaped pupils

[whydoyouask]

But does that mean they have been wearing contacts since they were little kids? Or maybe it's just the seconded generation that doesn't form the cross pupils until they are a little older, as seen in chapters 101-102 with the little Ringo. And if they don't have parents how were they born. And if that is true that they indeed have no parents how were Ikki and the the Noyamana sisters "acquainted." Also that Whole Adoption thing seems a little iffy to. How is it that a child like like Ikki who supposedly isn't a gravity child, but has an extreme exponential growth rate in AT, is basically just put into the hands of the future members of Sleeping Forest. it is just strange.

[remanzuo]

I always see Contacts o.o

owh really ? you can always see the contacts
wow you have a very sharp eyes

even OG didn't mention about Orca taking off his contacts
suddenly his eyes shows it cross


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umm there is no awakening from what i've read so far, all the 1st generation GC or SF had crosses since birth, and the awakening u r mentioning i think its infinite atmosphere, they wear contacts to hide the fact that they are GC, if u see kilik he always have cross shaped pupils


what I mention is before spitfire fight nike n sora his eyes didn't show the cross
and then when he battles the cross exist and when he take kazu away the cross is gone
and also when he come back to be killed by nike n sora his eyes didn't show the cross either

[T.Y.]

^ then dont u find it strange that the SF didnt try to recruit ikki and ringo and the others didnt inform ikki that he's a GC? idk anymore but, if u r right about the awakening thingy, then ikki certainly had a lot of chances to do that, like when he first rode the wing road, or against Behemoth, when facing ringo, at the tropehem or w/e tower. i think its better if he's just a normal guy

[Eberwolf]

I'm with you T.Y.

[Devouring Strossus]

I don't understand one thing. Why does a lot of GC use contacts while Orca can freely change his eye? Is there something special with some GC? Is he special? Bleh, no sense here .-.

Geh, anyways, I still don't think Ikki is a GC... that would suck a lot.

[Eberwolf]

I think that it's merely camera position whether or not it'll show up. I mean, you can't see the gold rings around my pupils unless you're RIGHT in front of me. But they are there and very bright.

[Satralis]

I think its a special effect :P. As far things go, there are times when you cant see people taking out their contacts but the cross still appeares (like in the forest)

my op:
for:- Ikki was given to Rika as the sister -> the sisters are grav kids
- Ikki learns very quickly like its in his blood
- has no info about his origin
- Ikki has the hawk eye and the other eye ability (though its a sky king candidate thing)
againts:
- Ikki has no cross yet
- Ikki had as much problem in the tower as the others meaning he doesnt have the grav kid resistance
- eventhough Ikki is a genius and learns quickly, Kazu is the same who is clearly not a grav kid

my guess: Ikki is not a grav kid himself, but surely has something to do with the tower and its experiments.

[Eberwolf]

I think its a special effect :P. As far things go, there are times when you cant see people taking out their contacts but the cross still appeares (like in the forest)

my op:
for:- Ikki was given to Rika as the sister -> the sisters are grav kids
- Ikki learns very quickly like its in his blood
- has no info about his origin
- Ikki has the hawk eye and the other eye ability (though its a sky king candidate thing)
againts:
- Ikki has no cross yet
- Ikki had as much problem in the tower as the others meaning he doesnt have the grav kid resistance
- eventhough Ikki is a genius and learns quickly, Kazu is the same who is clearly not a grav kid

my guess: Ikki is not a grav kid himself, but surely has something to do with the tower and its experiments.

Couldn't have put that better myself.

[Iulian]

I´m with Satralis Final conclusion. is the most reasonable option. Ikki have some kind of relation with the GC background, but he isnt one of them.

[Neoblade]

Just a thought.

Ikki could be a GC prototype of some kind. Even if you are to consider age differences (Are there any?) there's noone who knows if Ikki wasn't created 20 years ago in a tube and that ''Mr. Minami'' didn't bring Ikki away to protect him for some reason.

Of course I'm just blabbering my own ideas out..

[remanzuo]

^ then dont u find it strange that the SF didnt try to recruit ikki and ringo and the others didnt inform ikki that he's a GC? idk anymore but, if u r right about the awakening thingy, then ikki certainly had a lot of chances to do that, like when he first rode the wing road, or against Behemoth, when facing ringo, at the tropehem or w/e tower. i think its better if he's just a normal guy

who knows ?? Ikki might be as special as Akito
see the last page of ch 192, Agito has a new type of eye, the probability of being a GC
and SF also didn't recruite Akito
can you explain to me the reason why SF didn't recruit Akito ?


I always see Contacts o.o

and yeah for you, yes you.. " Mr. Always see the contacts " can you explain to me what happened to Akito eyes ? referring to the last page of ch 192 does Agito also always using contacts too ?

[DarkPriest]

I don't understand one thing. Why does a lot of GC use contacts while Orca can freely change his eye? Is there something special with some GC? Is he special? Bleh, no sense here .-.

Geh, anyways, I still don't think Ikki is a GC... that would suck a lot.

ringo didn't obody in the SF had contact lenses only Simca but Simca and Killik have the eyes all the time . Even Sora and his bro can turn there eyes at will.

And i but that Ikki was the same or a more evolved eyes then Agito(Akito)

[remanzuo]

^they wear contacts oO
it has nothing to do with "awakening" them
or am I wrong xD ?

See the last page of chapter 192
and you'll know what I mean with "awakening"

and also for " Mr. always see the contacts " answer my question in the bottom page 12 of this thread
thnx

[Iulian]

I know a lot of drug that can change the appearance of your eyes XD: Cocaine, Speed, smoke too much Maria...maybe Agito was experimenting with amphetamines, hahaha.

[DarkPriest]

I know a lot of drug that can change the appearance of your eyes XD: Cocaine, Speed, smoke too much Maria...maybe Agito was experimenting with amphetamines, hahaha.

i don't think so i believe that Agito is a GC but of a different kind. is not induce by drugs or any other substances. i bet that Ikki was the same or more evolved eyes then Agito.

[Artcore]

Well at this rate Ikki is definately a GC. Its starting to become like saiyans in DBZ, which wont be good.
So my opinion is hopefully not, but probably yes.

[remanzuo]

Well at this rate Ikki is definately a GC. Its starting to become like saiyans in DBZ, which wont be good.
So my opinion is hopefully not, but probably yes.

This Super Saiyan effect has effected Agito the change of his eyes and hairstyle

[DarkPriest]

Well at this rate Ikki is definately a GC. Its starting to become like saiyans in DBZ, which wont be good.
So my opinion is hopefully not, but probably yes.


i don't think that this will be the case because Agito is at the second stage with out going the first one.

[whydoyouask]

WOAH! Guys, stay on topic here. But BTW, i believe he has always been in the mastered SSJ 1 form, so it's like he was always Super Saijin, he just transformed into the seconded recently, USE YOUR ANGER AGITO!

[Parina]

See the last page of chapter 192
and you'll know what I mean with "awakening"

and also for " Mr. always see the contacts " answer my question in the bottom page 12 of this thread
thnx

um, it's not sure if agito is a gravity child... maybe another kind od gc, who can awaken them. if you mean those crosses then okay i dunno how he did that too xD
but i meant the usual crosses.

*sigh*
I sense sarcasm...

[Satralis]

Oh so soon were gonna see them all turning into gorillas...

Well regarding Agito he had always strange eyes since one of them was more like cats eyes than a humans and there wasnt any explanation to that either. The reason to the change was also an event that brought forth a factor that Ikki has no relations with. Meaning Agito has a 3rd personality and Ikki doesnt And being a grav kid doesnt require any special mental or body state, its decided from birth, though it still can be that some genes are activated when ikki gets to a certain age or in a certain state.. that would be like hormonal changes due to extereme circumstanses but seeing Ikki had plenty of those i wouldnt think that.

[DarkPriest]

Oh so soon were gonna see them all turning into gorillas...

Well regarding Agito he had always strange eyes since one of them was more like cats eyes than a humans and there wasnt any explanation to that either. The reason to the change was also an event that brought forth a factor that Ikki has no relations with. Meaning Agito has a 3rd personality and Ikki doesnt And being a grav kid doesnt require any special mental or body state, its decided from birth, though it still can be that some genes are activated when ikki gets to a certain age or in a certain state.. that would be like hormonal changes due to extereme circumstanses but seeing Ikki had plenty of those i wouldnt think that.

in the raw of 192 we see the fang road or fang's road personalization like a person how talks with Agito in his mind and later on when the levitan broke his fang a cage trapping the fang road or fang's road personalization and then Agito transformation. I bet that Ikki was that to because Ikki has the wind in him like Sora and Simca discovered Ikki stell has the has a eagle eyes that alow him to see the trick pass and the shortest road to victory and i bet that the state that Agito is write now is probely a defense mechanism that is way Akito was able to escape with out from the tower. Ikki hasn't been in any real danger tell now and that is way Ikki didn't "transform"

[Parina]

in the raw of 192 we see the fang road or fang's road personalization like a person how talks with Agito in his mind and later on when the levitan broke his fang a cage trapping the fang road or fang's road personalization and then Agito transformation. I bet that Ikki was that to because Ikki has the wind in him like Sora and Simca discovered Ikki stell has the has a eagle eyes that alow him to see the trick pass and the shortest road to victory and i bet that the state that Agito is write now is probely a defense mechanism that is way Akito was able to escape with out from the tower. Ikki hasn't been in any real danger tell now and that is way Ikki didn't "transform"

okay then i'll use spoiler tags too :P
then why didn't agito "transform" when he was fighting akira. he was close to dying oO

[whydoyouask]

Because in the Akira fight his two personalities weren't molded yet, now they are, so he is able to take the next step.

[Satralis]

in the raw of 192 we see the fang road or fang's road personalization like a person how talks with Agito in his mind and later on when the levitan broke his fang a cage trapping the fang road or fang's road personalization and then Agito transformation. I bet that Ikki was that to because Ikki has the wind in him like Sora and Simca discovered Ikki stell has the has a eagle eyes that alow him to see the trick pass and the shortest road to victory and i bet that the state that Agito is write now is probely a defense mechanism that is way Akito was able to escape with out from the tower. Ikki hasn't been in any real danger tell now and that is way Ikki didn't "transform"

The 3rd personality was confirmed by Agito. Its not the fang road though seeing his powers hes prolly the strongest fang user. And the avatar being all of the fang roads symbol wasnt confirmed either. And usually avatars are personal. If i had to than i would compare it to how Ikkis avatar changed when he found his true road, it was completed we could say. The same could be the case here, since we saw that person riding the leviathan.



then why didn't agito "transform" when he was fighting akira. he was close to dying oO
At that time Agito planned to disappear and accepted his fate unlike now when he has someone to fight for. Also i still think that at that time AG wasnt planned to go on like this.

[Parina]

The 3rd personality was confirmed by Agito. Its not the fang road though seeing his powers hes prolly the strongest fang user. And the avatar being all of the fang roads symbol wasnt confirmed either. And usually avatars are personal. If i had to than i would compare it to how Ikkis avatar changed when he found his true road, it was completed we could say. The same could be the case here, since we saw that person riding the leviathan.


At that time Agito planned to disappear and accepted his fate unlike now when he has someone to fight for. Also i still think that at that time AG wasnt planned to go on like this.

second reason is more convincing :p

[whydoyouask]

You must of gave that alot of thought.

[Artcore]

I really hope AG doesnt turn into another never ending story... i hate those. But if it turns out that ikki is GC, then thats probably where its going.

[Iulian]

After read the 192 Raw...the probabilities that Ikki are a GC are growing really a lot.

[Chryyz]

Not sure if this was mentioned in a previous post or not, I don't feel like reading through 13+ pages at the moment, but it was stated before that the reason Ringo was able to withstand the pressure of the forest was because she was a member of the thorn(?) road, just like Rika.

It was stated that she could hold her own in the tower because she was always under pressure. Also, Kilik said that even he and the others had trouble there, so just because they're gravity children doesn't necessarily mean that they're impervious to the pressure.

Also, to get back on topic... Ikki will probably be revealed to be something along the lines of a "super gravity child" so to speak. Kinda like Kira in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED. I believe they'd think it would be boring otherwise.

[Artcore]

Personally I dont think it would be boring otherwise. I think it would suck if they make him a GC. Hed be much better off as a normal kid.

[whydoyouask]

I kind of already stated this but i think he is a GC but a different kind of GC. One that is without the cross pupils or who has to awaken like Agito.

[JackApostrophe]

I think it will probably be something like he's the natural child of Character X (Uncle Minami?) whose genetic code was used as the basis for Sora and Nike. And that's why he shares their natural abilities but not the enhancements that the Gravity Children possess.

[Artcore]

I kind of already stated this but i think he is a GC but a different kind of GC. One that is without the cross pupils or who has to awaken like Agito.

That would just make it even worse imo. seriously, somehow the hero always gets some convenient leg up on everyone else.

[Eberwolf]

I'm with Artcore. Ikki should just be a normal guy. That'd be WAY better plot wise.

[JackApostrophe]

I'm with Artcore. Ikki should just be a normal guy. That'd be WAY better plot wise.Well, something is up with Ikki, since three of the four kids given to Rika have been Gravity Children. I don't think that Ikki is one, but whoever he is you can't really say he's normal.

[9taileddemon]

I don't think Ikki is a gravity child because it seems that all of the gravity children were made to use ATs amazingly well. Its for that whole energy conversion thing. However Ikki had to have lots and lots of work to learn how to use ATs well. The whole "loved by the wind" thing is difficult to figure out but I do not think it means he is a GC.

Also Rika already knew that Mikan, Ringo, and Ume were Gravity Children and thus taught them how to use ATs since she knew they had been born to ride.

However since she did not teach Ikki that makes me think that he is human.

[Eberwolf]

I don't think Ikki is a gravity child because it seems that all of the gravity children were made to use ATs amazingly well. Its for that whole energy conversion thing. However Ikki had to have lots and lots of work to learn how to use ATs well. The whole "loved by the wind" thing is difficult to figure out but I do not think it means he is a GC.

Also Rika already knew that Mikan, Ringo, and Ume were Gravity Children and thus taught them how to use ATs since she knew they had been born to ride.

However since she did not teach Ikki that makes me think that he is human.

I like everything you said, except "However since she did not teach Ikki that makes me think that he is human." Because a GC is still human.... sorta.

[9taileddemon]

Would you prefer non-manfuctured human.

Because that is what GC kind of are. Manufactured humans made to do that whole energy conversion thing.

[S3raph]

i think ikki is a form of unknown GC. stated by various characters ikki is 'special'.
think about it, aeon clock air-trecked from a young age till the behemoth arc, and achieved a battle level of 82. now his age isnt expressly stated, but i would peg him for bout 25ish. i would assume he started air treck at a young age, but for argument's sake lets give him a decades worth of experience in air-treck, which included being trained by a GC king to follow the flame road.
a decade of air trecking plus exclusive training from a GC king, and he managed to get to battle level 82 at the Behemoth arc

Ikki in comparison, has air-trecked less than a year to achieve a battle level of 78, granted he was heavily influenced/trained/instructed by several king-level riders [ringo/rika/sora/benkei], but heck he did what aeon clock took theoretically a decade to do. the boy is something special, and since a high level of proficiency seems to stem from being a GC, i would lean toward him being a type of GC.

[chaoticwings]

O!G could reveal later that Ikki somehow forgot how to ride AT? or something like that iono...but cuz of the recent chapters, it might be possible that Ikki is a GC and his power will awaken! :lol: (which i believe he is a GC)

[9taileddemon]

I still think that he is not a GC. He may be special but the way that Rika treated him compared to the way she treated Ringo, Mikan, and Ume makes me think he is not a GC.

I think he is just an unusual human. I mean GCs were manufactured for the whole energy conversion thing. That does not necessarily mean that they have an affinity with the wind. I mean how can you actually design a person to have an affinity with the wind. I don't think it is possible to attempt to make someone like that.

I think it is like in many other mangas. The main character just happens to be a genius/superpowered person.

[kaider]

Hmm.. i wonder
I think its too early to rule out him bein a normal pure homeborn mothermilked human.
But he is in fact handling ATs a lot more faster and effective than most of the human riders - that leads to the belief of him being some sort of GC.

And in most cases of manga the main guy absolutely has to be somewhat special, plus the new introduced sniper cross eyes in Rindo/Lind whatever hes called - that adds more fuel to the theory of Ikki being a *cough* all powerfull uber alien who will revolt the AT world *cough*cough* where was i, oh yes - being a modified human.

But we still dont have enough to support this theory to the end, so in my opinion he MAY be not entirely normal, but i still cant make a solid statement.

We'll see what O!G gives us

[cheapraymond]

well this isn't really fleshed out yet but....

ONLY MEANT FOR EYES THAT READ UP TO/PAST 193!!!

this is in Chapter 193

the pyon girls says: "But till the end AT's and GC have a major premise ... blahblahblah... If they are able to charge only that ability into ordinary people... in the past there was one person who thought about that, PYON!"

and then orca continues and says "Uncle Minami would go to this extent?"

referring to Uncle Minami probably refers to the head or a researcher for the GC so Ikki being the natural born child of one of the researchers who's genetic code was used to create Sora is probably it (???) well maybe not the last part but Sora and Ikki look sorta the same to me (especially at the beginning of the series before we found out he was an evil dic.... nevermind)

*edit* oh and I wanted to point out that she said that to charge that ability (co-generation) into ordinary people. and when it says one person who thought about that... then uncle minami so would it be safe to assume that Uncle Minami is the person who thought of that???

AT's and GC are referred to together meaning that they were created for one and the same purpose (?) to use the co-generation process to the highest efficiency

by 9taileddemon on the 192/193 Discussion thread:
The Regalia are used to take what would normally be lost energy and convert it to usable energy.

For example normally while breaking energy is lost. However with the fang regalia this lost energy is converted into a wave of energy shot at foe. Same with heat energy to light energy shots for horn Regalia. Or energy usually lost by wind resistance can be used to actually ride on the wind.

The GC can release the full power of the Regalia and completely use the energy conversion while normal people can still use them just not nearly as well.

With the whole Lind thing I guess he might have been the original person before the operation to change him into a GC. Then after the operation that made him a brain charger the new personality Akito appeared and took over.


well then i spent a couple hours looking of something still can't find it i gave up

anyways i think i remember someone (spitfire i think?) saying that the class system was used to train the rider right? this may mean that U.M. created this system in order to train Ikki to become the best possible user of the Sky Regalia which (if explained by the above quote) would probably be the perfect technology to use the cogeneration principle... it just needs the perfect driver

lol yeah long first post =) ... so yeah guys what do u think about this lol

*edit* whoops lol i guess i forgot to say my opinion on Ikki being a GC or not... hmmm
i guess what I'm trying to say is that Ikki is not a GC but is being trained to do what the GC haven't been able to completely do yet... which is to use the co-generation process more perfectly? which is to say that the co-generation process is being used by NORMAL people

[HurricaneRoad]

no i dont think he does.. but i think that he just maybe activates some special gene..

[whydoyouask]

No, i think the brain charger was all about Lind, since he is not a GC. Ikki on the other hand is most likely something like Lind but with the genes of the GC integrated into him. Like some sort of Air Treck Frankenstien. Now with the reveiling of "Uncle Minami" which is probably Ikki's father, genetic engineer most likely, the odds only go up in favor of Ikki having Integrated GC genes in his DNA, which would explain his growth rate in AT.

[9taileddemon]

I still say that maybe he does have some GC type thing about him but I do not think that being some type of GC makes him loved by the wind. I think that is just something unique about him.

I also think that if being loved by the wind is something that just happens to be a part of him then that alone explains why he can use ATs so well. Since Ats use the wind and enable a person to fly if you just happen to understand the wind very well then it would make it so you be able to understand how to use ATs really well. He also was coached by a ton of really good riders.

Also you notice that things that have to do with being on the ground he has more trouble with. Until the Trident incident he was not able to run well and if he had not met Buccha he probably would not have been able to wall ride well either. He just happens to be ridiculously good at moving through the air.

[HurricaneRoad]

i think he activated some special gene that he maybe had and maybe ikki got it too.. but who knows :S.. we can only wait and see what will come..

[UchihaCelis]

i like cheapraymond's idea. all the powerful riders so far are gavity children or have brain charger. its almost annoying. i would like that ikki stay a normal person. i do think that 'uncle minami' did have something to do with ikki bt i dont think he did enoght to make him different from a normal human being. i think that all that one all normal riders (buccha, kazu, ikki) finish their training they will be powerful enough to fight against the GC.

[HurricaneRoad]

ofcourse they will be strong enought or else there wouldent have been a reason to send them training for so many chapters..

[9taileddemon]

The problem is not really in being able to defeat a GC. I mean Ikki already beat Ringo with only small amount of help from Regalia.

With the training they are currently doing they will probably be able to at least be equal to a GC.

The true problem is to fight the GC in the forest where they were born in 0g. That is going to be the main problem.

Also I wish to reiterate that I sincerely hope that Ikki is not a GC or BC. I also just don't think that you can build someone to have such an affinity with the wind.

However I will wait for more data about Orca before confirming thins since it seems like he is perhaps loved by the water?

[HurricaneRoad]

i dont know but it has a lot to do with the power of lind (the original Agito/Akito) is..

[9taileddemon]

Huh? I am confused. What are you trying to say?

I was talking about Orca and then you brought Lind into it.

... Oh wait I think I get what you are saying. Are you saying that maybe fighting in 0g might not be a problem for Lind but we just arent sure yet.

... Here is something to throw out there in general that might be interesting to think about the BC.

You know how Agito has been constantly worrying about his body breaking down? Well Lind takes over and uses all these awesome Fang techniques without breaking a sweat. How does having a personality change affect your bodies limits like that. Does it have something to do with BC?

[OkamiUiriamu]

If Ikki is human, might as well be saying he is dead. Humans can not take on GC no matter how much they train, train, and more training. Shōnen always have the main character be something different. Take O!G's other manga TT for example. People thought the main character was human in that one. Turns out hes a demon slayer thing that turns himself into a demon to kill demons. [I love TT] O!G will make Ikki something.

I really agree that he is probably one of the original or is a human born then experimented on! Maybe, thats why sleeping forest did not want him to start ATing. Come on think about it if he was human what harm could come from him ATing i'm sure he wouldn't be the only human doing it.

I really hope he is a Uber Alien. We need more Uber Aliens in manga now days.

[9taileddemon]

It was Rika that did not want him to use ATs. Not sleeping forest. As far as we know Sleeping Forest did not know anything about Ikki except that he was a brat and a meat freak.

Rika (who is not a member of Sleeping Forest anymore) did not want Ikki to suffer the same fate as Sora. That is why she did not want him using ATs.

[OkamiUiriamu]

and if he was human why would he suffer the same fate as sora. That would mean he would have to have the same strength as sora to become the sky king. Which is not possible if he is human because humans are weak.

~Checkmate

[9taileddemon]

The "fate" Sora suffered was having his legs broken in a battle and making it so he could never "fly" again. Or so she thought.

It was not really about being Sky King that she feared. She was stunned when she heard that people were calling Ikki the next Sky King.

She was just scared of him being injured or dying. Not losing his dreams like Sora with the Sky King. I mean she wanted to destroy his dreams of flying to keep him from being injured.

Also, it was not just fear of him being injured in battle. It was also fear of him injuring himself doing a trick. Like when he almost killed himself at the bathhouse.

[9taileddemon]

~Checkmate

This game is not over yet. My pieces are lined up for their counter attack.

I have read all of Air Gear about 6 times. I will not fall that easily.

Ikki is not a GC.

[OkamiUiriamu]

We will see we will see.

O!G don't fail me now. I expect we will know the answer soon.

BTW never said he was a GC I said he was different. As in not human.

[9taileddemon]

I think that he is a full human being.

Only more information on Orca and maybe Agito/Akito/Lind will be able to sway me.

We need to learn more about BC.
And I want to know if Orca was like made to be loved by the sea or something.

Only those two things or a brilliant argument can sway me.

[OkamiUiriamu]

Well don't feel like pulling the Brilliant argument card yet. So lets see what we learn in the upcoming chapters. =P

[9taileddemon]

Anyone else want to send some arguments one way or another our way or should we stop until we learn more from more chapters.

I personally enjoy smashing heads with everyone and having these discussions/arguments/bickering.

[OkamiUiriamu]

lol does that mean your impatient. By wanting to argue it proves that you are unsure. As am I, but I have the fact that I have read many Shonens. If you have read reviews on Airgear and other O!G manga you will see that everyone says the story is just like every other shonen. The reason they read it is for the art. Now I don't agree with that for the pure fact that I love Airgear but thought i'd throw that out there.

[9taileddemon]

It is not because I am unsure.

I just love crushing other peoples reasonings using my own reasonings. And I like having to crush the reasonings that crushed some of my own reasoning.

I just like debating stuff.

I would be pleasantly surprised if someone had such a good argument that I could not disagree with them.

Well actually on this topic I would not be too happy because I really want Ikki to be a normal human and not modified in any way.

But in general I like when someone out thinks me. And thus I like to debate. Unsureness has nothing to do with it.

[OkamiUiriamu]

Huh I like that sounds like stuff I do on yahoo!answers. Anyway you haven't responded to my latest argument.

[DragonTiger]

I don't know if he is gravity child but maybe something similar to them. He hates crosses in their eyes and if you read manga in Sleeping forest there was huge cross and everyone from SF got crosses in their eyes but Ikki doesn't got. Him to be imperfect like Kilik and the other except Ringo. So that would mean that she's perfect but I thing that is 'cause of her thorn road and infinity atmosfere. Agito/Akito/third personality - is similar to gravity child but his eyes are dirfferent. Don't got every gravity child those crosses? One point is that Rika was given custody of all of them (Mikan, Ringo, Ikki and Ume). Mikan, Ringo and Ume to be gravity children and Ikki not. they were given to Rika by the same person. What more. his talent for AT and wind. First time seeing Trick pass and he saw everything, strange. Learning very fast of using AT and tricks (like Bucchas) while other got big problems and in that 33 m long jump using Ringo as sign of lenght. First jump failed 'cause he cheated and rode Agito's fang. almost landed on Ringo but not. he should be badly hurt but not. Like he know how to avoid injury (instinct?) Well I bealive that he is also somehow special like gravity children but I don't think he is one of them like Ringo and others.

[fury4n]

<<<YES I AM STUPID! i accidentaly posted here. Can a mod put it where it belongs..um regalia section, redirected by mistake>>>
Wind Regalia - Baghram
First owned by Sora then Ikki then retaken by Sora. Uses the Wing Road. Ikki's version of the Infinity Atmosphere(IA) is Moonstruck Drop - Numberless Grappler that creates infinite trickpaths.

Fang Regalia - Bloody Armor
Used by Akito then Akira and now by Akito/Agito/Lind. Uses the Bloody Road and can create sonic air slashes(Leviathan Fang for Agito, Gigaer Cross for Akira). It's IA is named Infinity Cage now improved into Infinity Jail. LOVE IT.

Flame Regalia -???
Used by Spitfire then passed to Kazu who is to noob for it :D. By using the Flame Road it's the fastest Regalia creating the illusion of flames by friction. IA: Infinity Inferno. Those wheels look like gold $_$.

Water Regalia - ???
Used by Om with the Lather Road. IA is named Bubblegum Crysis that changes water density to create explotions. Chun Li on AT lol.

Rumble Regalia - Ram Jet
Yoshitsune's regalia using the Over Road. Previous user Dontores(?). Uses the windmill principle to nulify air attacks. I wonder if i can duplicate it out of my old vacuum.

Thunder Regalia - ???
First Black Burn now Nue. IA: Atmosphere Max. Manipulates Earth's magnetic field which alters brainwaves. Uses the Rising Road. Ghost making machine.

Thorn Regalia - Thorn Reaper
Used first by Rika and now Ringo. Sonia Road. Backwheels unfold into spiky whips. IA: Infinite Chain: Turqoise Sonia. Ideal if we have fanservice at the same time.

Pledge Regalia - Axis
It belonged to Ine Makigami but was passed to Kururu. Not an AT but a huge cross that links to other tuners so that they can work at the Pledge Queen's rate.IA: Infinite Scale. Looks heavy :(

Gem Regalia - ???
Kilik used it with the Gaia Road, but now Nike uses it with the Jade Road and the IA:Infinite Tremor to create..errrr...hell on earth :D(piezoelectricity/surface vibration's/God knows what thingy).

Horn Regalia - Hatch Venom
Gabishi's toy. IA: Air Cannon. Same thing as the Fang Regalia only that it doesn't make a wind slash but a wind cannon of some sort. Nice design.

Read more on Wiki...

Storm Regalia - Michael Jordan's Nike Air shoes used in Space Jam
Will use Ikki's almighty pride as nuclear fuel. Kuu shaped remote. More angel wings for otaku girls pleasing.Hurricane Road.
Excluding Ikki's Storm Regalia and the Pledge Queen's Regalia that's 9 regs..wtf? wasn't it 8?
My fav :D? Buccha's secret TANK REGALIA 4x4 1800 UBER ROAD
That's all folks!

[HurricaneRoad]

didnt buccha get the fat pig road by the old man xD.. but i still think that there will hapend something with ikki that will change him in some way.. :S

[DragonTiger]

well it all depends on author of Air Gear what Ikki is in reality. anyway I'd found it strange if he'd be just ordinary human. in his house Rika have to take care of 3 girls, every girls is GC, 1 boy, he is human?. well he wasn't taken to Sleeping forest nor trained by girls at home. they only show him some basic tricks when truth about them doing AT was out. What i don't like about his house was that he was treating most likely trash or freeloader if you want and left out. well maybe only Ringo treat him better but she also kept secrets from him while he won't. I think in manga or anime she said that they kept it secret over 10 year. and I don't see point in hiding that Rika is pro wrestler. girls know about it, Ikki not. Ringo in manga apologilezed for it but the rest not still Ringo didn't properly explain why they had to hide it. was it for Ikki's safity? I don't think so. and for Ringo. Ikki gave her her first taste of sky and how she thanked him. and one more thing, after Ikki left forest Ringo could go and comfort him if she couldn't do so in forest.It is not like she wouldn't know where he is while his teammates knew. Well if it would be me, I'd hate them until they honestly apologized to me. Anyway I think Ikki is special he and the rest just still don't know in which way

[HurricaneRoad]

yea.. he was also "delivered" by uncle Minami.. so there has to be something about him..

[9taileddemon]

Well there is the route that some mangas take.

He could just be a freakin prodigy. I mean maybe he is just one of those freaks who can see the world in a way no one else can. In a way he actually could be a genius.

Maybe his genius was recognized at an early age and that is why they gave him to Rika. They might have wanted Rika to train him.

But because she wanted to keep him close to her and in his "cage" she decided not to and made it so the others did not tell him.

I think that a lot of the reasons why the family treats him slightly differently is mostly because of Rika and what she allowed the girls to do with Ikki and what they could not do. Also it might partially be because of his personality.

Just randomly throwing stuff out there.

[HurricaneRoad]

i think that he was some sort of special project.. and because of how Rika might know what he can become she didn't want him to start AT..

[9taileddemon]

Well when she said she knew that he was loved by the wind it showed a picture of him almost flying through the air after jumping off that Rock thing. It did not show a picture of him when he was given to her when he was a baby.

[DragonTiger]

I understand it that Rika maybe done it for Ikkis protection she should treat other girls as well¨. well she was feared about Ikki to have his wings broken in future or even if she didn't know she saw him as one of strogest stormrider and she didn't wanted to turn him into bad guy like Sora or his twin brother. Well Ikki is really stubborn like little brat (maybe that's why girls are after him, easy to understand and he is easygoing) but he wants everyone to treat him with respect and to be honest with him. he wants to know true reasons and truth.

About him to be loved by wind. Maybe he is also some kind project similar to GC. Feel wind and use it like wings. remember Agito/Akito is also somehow like GC.

And I've got one question. when he started AT, not so soon after he started it he saw wing road. How much time it would take to see it for human and for GC.

[9taileddemon]

He saw the wing road when he was a kid. Remember when he jumped off that radio tower.

Also when I say loved by the wind I am also referring to how birds are attracted to him and stuff like that. I mean how do you modify a person to be like that?

Unfortunately Dolphins and Sharks seem to be attracted to Orca so I am not as sure now.

This whole Orca/Agito/Lind things has done nothing but put my well thought out arguments on shakier ground.

[fury4n]

Imo i think Ikki looks very similar to Sora than Sora to Nike. Maybe he's some kind of Sora v2.0. Maybe some X-eyes, maybe more than that. Also something's strange about Lind. I mean when he appeared what's that phrase about the brother Kaito about? What does really a Brain Charger do? Like remote control? If u combine absolute control over someone with GC skills and mass-create it, u can have a really advanced military army. Maybe the AT were not meant for fun but as weapons of war? I smell conspiracy...well, actually i smell mom's fish so we'll read and see :P

[HurricaneRoad]

actually, killik did say that they were children ment for war, and that AT war ment to be used in the army.. he said that when ikki first entered the tower..

[DragonTiger]

well we will see if he got some eye change. X_X . anyway it is interesting him learning so fast and his family 4 (3) hot girls - 3 are GC. :)

[9taileddemon]

I agree that I think that GC are used to be weapons. I mean the whole energy converter thing makes it so there attacks are insanely powerful since no energy is wasted.

It makes me think that Sky Regalia can be used to make it so anyone can act like a GC. If Sora could get that and then copy multiple times Genesis can become an unstoppable army that is full of people with the chgaracteristics of GCs. And then he conquers the world.

[neo80189]

thats highly possible seeing as how not much is known about his parents and that Rika was left in charge of him at such a young age.. nobody really knows whether he's human or not, its just implied throughout..

[9taileddemon]

I personally think that someone would have mentioned something about his GC ness or BC ness if he was one.

I don't think he is either but I do think that he could be a third type we have not seen yet. I will admit to that.

[WraithX959]

I think that Ikki is a clone gravity child experiment. His similar appearance to the Sora twins cannot be denied. Even Kilik mentioned it.

[DragonTiger]

I personally think that someone would have mentioned something about his GC ness or BC ness if he was one.

I don't think he is either but I do think that he could be a third type we have not seen yet. I will admit to that.

I agree with you and it looks most likely. I think true about him will show up at tournament at the top or in time close to tournament. :p

[kaider]

Same here, i feel its bout time somethin happened that would make him show his true colors. He deffinitely should have some kinda power up.
I wonder how has nobody in their world never brought up the idea of him bein something more. I mean theres a whole group of lab experiment children. Than theres uncle Minami, which should make people think "why does the kid share the scientists name". I just cant.. put all of the things together..

..man i need some sleep

[fury4n]

Well Sora did thaught Ikki that wind burst move with his hands, but what we do know about the countless tricks and special moves of each stormrider is that they are done with AT, regalia or not. Ikki did that move in the tower with his bare hands and that is supernatural even in the AG universe. I don't think non-GC humans can shoot air around whenever they feel like it, regardless of their training. So imo Ikki isn't 'ordinary'.

[OkamiUiriamu]

I personally think that someone would have mentioned something about his GC ness or BC ness if he was one.

I don't think he is either but I do think that he could be a third type we have not seen yet. I will admit to that.


Omg you agree with me now?

[kaider]

So should we start speculating what shape his eyes will be lol

[9taileddemon]

I think Ikki is the result of an experiment to make a birdlike human. In the middle of the Trophaem instead of his eyes changing his Wings will burst out of his back. And we will all be like.

:surprised:

[kaider]

And his ego will sky rocket to gigantic levels!
imagine

*wings sprout*
Ikki: ZOMG u all bow down b4 my uber l33t skillz!!

[9taileddemon]

He will probably say something like

See! I am the son of the Sky God. The Human-bird who comes to beat the shit out of anyone who crosses me. I am the ultimate power.

I will spare judgement for anyone who gives me fifty bucks. The rest of you will get crushed by my uberness.

[9taileddemon]

And only after will he wonder how the heck he never knew he had wings.

[kaider]

But naah, having wings is too much
It too fantasy-like even for this manga

Im out of ideas about waht might Ikki be
Ou ou! Maybe he has some genetic abnormality which will alow him to use ATs for what they were originally ment..
For all we know he is most speculated to be uncle Minami's son, maybe when daddy saw that his boy was abnormal, he didnt want him to become a lab rat and gave him away to Rika.

[UchihaCelis]

i think we'll be give hints as to wether or not he is or isnt ordinary wen he and kururu are all lone for a tuning session:heart:
she bound to see that he different from normal people if he really isnt ordinary since tuners are supposed to know everything bout the rider and their bodies

[9taileddemon]

... you Just BLew MY! MIND

I would have never have thought of it that way. That is genius. Thats true. You are right! If she tunes him then she will be able to note any non humaness. Brilliant.

My question. When she comes out wearing that thing tuners wear, will we find out if he is still bitesized or will that assumption have to be changed?

[9taileddemon]

But naah, having wings is too much
It too fantasy-like even for this manga

Oh I know that but since we really have not been given enough evidence to support that he is not something special, I through that out for kicks.


(If it does occur though, I will LMAO! And then I will quote this post tons of times.)

[kaider]

Kururu in the tuner suit.. *imagines* ... OMG! *goes to look for tissues*
Hope she wont get dissapointed from Ikkis little friend in that "private session"

So why wings.. maybe he could have jet packs that pop out of his back, and maybe a laser canon from his eyes.. or or maybe *dorky voice* he should have a super duper mega flying form he transforms into!

I took it too far didnt i..

[DragonTiger]

Well. Ikki is learning tricks very fast. you could say it is talent but then in that 33m jump he almost crush Ringo at first try. well he saved her but he would be badly injured but he wasn't. how he know how to avoid that injury? and as said before. Using wind without at in zero gravity, it was his first time in zero gravity right. and one more thing. he can easily move in storm while others not (remember battle with disc Ikki and Sora x Rika and others) predict uupredictable. it is more like Ringo being fine with air pressure but Ringo is more controlable.

[kaider]

He didnt exactly use wind in the 0g.. he just did the blowing trick, which he can do anywhere without ATs cuz theres air anywhere.. even i can blow a candle just by "hittin" the air infront of it, and he's a manga character :D

The injury avoiding was nice.. i guess its cuz of his battling experience, he was a gang leader after all.
In the disc fight, they said that when its raining ATs cant function well -> people shouldnt jump.. he just jumped at his own risk, he coulda slipped when landing :D

[Ringo]

He could be the same as Lind.Or maybe a failed experiment(too much FFVII)

When I saw Sora I though Ikki was his son.But Sora's too young for that.Maybe they're relatives.(but Ikki not a gravity child)

[kaider]

Ikki.. Soras son..
If that was true - that would raise serious questions bout what were the GC doin back when they were in the lab :D cuz ya know if the timelines are put together.. Ikki shoulda been born about 1 year before the GC escaped the lab

[Ringo]

Lol,I meant when I first saw Sora,before getting to know about him.

I bet that the GC back then wouldn't have even noticed the the differences there are between them(males and females)

[kaider]

Give them a little credit here.. they knew each other from "birth". Im sure they were aware that some were boys and some were girls. Humans aint that stupid

[Ringo]

Lol,then how can Ikki be so dumb some times?And he's a human(i think so).

And kids usually don't care about that kind of stuff at that age(i think so again)

But even if that's so then he's Simca's son,...so she's that of a pervert..now I understand from were he inherited his pervertness(Sora and Simca,poor Rika)

Back on topic:If he was a GC wouldn't he have shown signs until now?And he would rememeber something like the other GC(kilik,simca,sora,ringo,mikan)right?(or was he delivered to Rika when he was a baby?)

[kaider]

I think he was delivered some time after she received the other ones.. maybe a year or 2.. Poor Rika.. she has no parents, and one day someone comes and says "here take care of theese 3 kids" and some time after "oh hi again, theres one more, ya dont mind eh".. shes more of a mom to them than a sister

Btw in the begining of the manga there were 2 flashbacks, where Ikki thought about one person that he looked upon, the person was with long light hair.. cuz ive read the manga 3 times and not once i found something that connects to that flashback, could it be the only thing i missed..
And the newer generation of kinds prolly dont remember anything, they are told who they are, and then taken to the elevator to train

[UchihaCelis]

I think he was delivered some time after she received the other ones.. maybe a year or 2.. Poor Rika.. she has no parents, and one day someone comes and says "here take care of theese 3 kids" and some time after "oh hi again, theres one more, ya dont mind eh".. shes more of a mom to them than a sister

Btw in the begining of the manga there were 2 flashbacks, where Ikki thought about one person that he looked upon, the person was with long light hair.. cuz ive read the manga 3 times and not once i found something that connects to that flashback, could it be the only thing i missed..
And the newer generation of kinds prolly dont remember anything, they are told who they are, and then taken to the elevator to train
ive been thinkin bout that for sometime now. the guy that he look upon. did O!G jus forget or could that be significant later on in the future?? and wat age was ikki wen he met this GC person. if im not mistake that person had the GC eye rite?? if he was still a child, jus before he was give to rika then he definitely had something to do with the GC in the labs. wether he is one or not we'd have to wait and see bt mayb he was one of the sciencists children??

[kaider]

No.. that was a very long time ago in our time.. the person couldnt have had GC eyes, cuz its was 2 years before they were introduced..

Anyway, thats the whole mystery - O!G shos us that flashback a couple of times.. and then nothin.. maybe it will be addressed in the future.

What did Ikki say in that flashback panel "I couldnt reach that person" or somethin like that, im too lazy to look for it in the manga :D

[9taileddemon]

I brought that up in the who will fight Ikki at Trophaem thread.

I thought the same thing as you guys. However someone reminded me of who it was.

Its the NFA or something guy. THe one who taught Ikki about enemies and being a leader. And then Ikki ripped through that one guys helmet. Remember now?

[kaider]

But Ikki didnt even knew the guy whose helmet he ripped.. and his friend from NFA looks younger than the person from his memory.. So i dont think thats him

http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airgearv03086tm6.png

Found the first pic.. Ikki was close to his real age at that time.. i thought it was a long time ago for him, but seems otherwise
So now i think we were never shown who that person is
And looks like Ikki lost to that person, in battle or somethin, so maybe hes not that important to the plot - just a random flashback that Ikki remembers cuz he lost..

[HurricaneRoad]

he just remembered back, because he didn't want to lose again like he did at that time.. but maybe the person will show up soon that he saw in that flashback..

[chennethen]

is it possible to have a third generation Gc which looks exactly like human, no difference at all and ikki is the only third generation. ikki might be the copy of sora, but the reason why ikki is the only one is because the 1st generation Gc rebelled and they found that GC might be really dangerous if there are too many of thems. so they stop creating them. they created the secret third generation GC to settle and rule over others which is ikki?

[Sasaun]

all the original sleeping forest members were flawed. ikki wouldve surpassed sora with the wind regailia. ikki is possibly an unflawed gravity child

[Chamillion]

It can be a possibility since it hasn't been disproved. he can also be a like Agito.

[UchihaCelis]

i doubt he could be like akito. i mean akito developed three personalities because of his brother and coz of his brain charger thing(in my opinion) so im thinking the would have been some hints towards it. bt then again we've just recently learnt about brain charger so we cant make any assumption, there might even be other types apart from GC and BC although that would jus be kinda predictable and boring

[Chamillion]

I wasn't saying that he is, im just saying that it can be a possibility since it hasn't been said that he isn't.

[UchihaCelis]

i know what you're saying bout i think it would be highly unlikely and im sure OG can come up with something better. it would be a let down if ikki was a GC or BC.

[Wingman]

Ikki being a natural born phenomenon would be more interesting than rather a gravity child or some other artificial thing. (Hard to put into words)

[sazo]

No, there's no way he's a gravity child. He may be related to the accident, and one of the researchers in the group, but he is definitly not a gravity child. He couldn't withstand the pressure in the towers, and he isn't abnormally strong in the tower like Ume, Kilik, Ringo, and etc. Besides, if he was, the story would be too boring, since he would be storm king AND a gravity child. He would easily beat everyone in the whole tower, because it gives him superhuman powers. Other than that, Ikki does have a special ability I think. What kind of human is loved by the wind so much, that when they jump off a huge building, they are saved by a bird? Lol. And, Ikki is already good as it is, it's just that he still has dormant potential that he hasn't unleashed yet. And, if Ikki was in fact a gravity child, he would've been in Sleeping Forest and known about ATs at the same time Ringo and the others found out. They wouldn't be keeping secrets from him, or keeping ATs away from him.

ringo is the only 1 in sleeping forest that can stand the because she is the thron queen and her regualiy already cauz her pain and she is used 2 it so ikki is not the only 1 that count stand it meaning there is a chance that he is a gravity shild

[sazo]

ringo is the only 1 in sleeping forest that can stand the because she is the thron queen and her regualiy already cauz her pain and she is used 2 it so ikki is not the only 1 that count stand it meaning there is a chance that he is a gravity shild

srry the s was supposed 2 be a c becuz i meant child

[Aoshimaro]

The possibility is there, but we won't know until it's revealed to us.

[Wrench]

I think there is something specially about him, but I don't know what yet. The fact that his last name is Minami and there's Uncle Minami, who Orca said has something to do with Brain Chargers, suggest that he also has something to do with the Gravity Child research.

[DragonTiger]

Well. Some of us hope that Ikki is human with talent for AT. Since there are GC that are naturally on king level and so BC there is possibility that Ikki is also some project, maybe not GC or BC sinc Rika was given no normal kids but 3 GC girls. it'd surprise if Ikki was somehow normal. Well. he is improving really fast don't you think. Even if GC didn't know anything about how to ride AT it would take more time to improve so much. I remeber that also Ringo was remebering her training on her own while she had run with Ikki and Ikki gave her also hard time even with normal AT.

About Ikki to be thirg generation of GC. Wouldn't be Ume who is younger than Ikki to be also like him. and what about those little kids who that electric king is taking care (forgot his name).

I agree it'd be boring if Ikki'd be also some kind of project for AT like GC or BC but for normal human to do what Ikki done, it is miracle. maybe he is an alien (joke)

[Fay]

There is a possibility that Ikki is one of them Gravity Children. But then, to me, the story won't be as interesting anymore. It'd be ok for me if Ikki was something like.... a better version of the GC but then again, like what DragonTiger said, the younger GC would most probably be the same. I'd like to see Ikki, a normal human be able to surpass the GC with his skills in A-T, no technology, no enhancements, no research etc etc.... just talent.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how everything develops.

[nomeliph]

i realy dont think Ikki is a gravity child cause he doesnt wear contacts and he coudnt withstand the gravity well enough. i think hes there to kick Sora's butt.

[DragonTiger]

About GC. we know that first generation (Simca, Kilik etc) has to wear contacts but what about Ringo and others from second generation. I didn't saw Ringo taking contacts off but I thought it is weird. She wear glasses and sometimes when she rides she doesn't wear glasses. I personally doubt that Ikki is GC or BC. He is most likely something else. In 2 months to get so far. even if it is thanks to talent but this talent would surpass even GC - I doubt. I'd found it also strange if Rika was given to take care of normal boy while she was given to take care of GC girls.

[Ebiyu-D]

like DragonTiger said, yeah probably something else~ something like the highest form of BC~!

and maybe kazu and the others can achieve a natural BC via practice, will power or something like that.. and ikki would be someone that can use 2 skills BC + ??... well having the new concept of BC sure fired up the story/plot!!

[cubano]

there could be a chance that ikki was experimented on or made 2 beat sora
but dats just my opinion

[ravin_durkson]

Personal I think it would be better story wise for Ikki not to be a GC, Ithink it is a high possibility that he is either a GC or some other experiment from one of the facilities.

I think that the Uncle Minami guy isn't the lead researcher. I think he is kind of a Hariet Tubman type of character that sneeks the GC maked for extermination to the regular world. I think that Ikki is propably one of the facilities crowning achievements that, Minami stole before the data the expiramnets that would be conducted on him could be used to either cerate another sky regalia or create a more powerfull GC.

A specific defence that ive seen for Ikki not being a Gc are his eyes compared to the children with Nue. Saying that Nue's team and ume ect are are younger and therefore a latter generations of GC than Ikki could possibly be, doesnt take in to account the posibility that they came from compeletly different reasearch facilities. They could also be the crontrol group for whatever generation Ikki could be from.

[Ferahgo]

I think that there is definetly evidence for this. And I'm going to call on a very early page of the manga to show this. Some people have mentioned that their are "Perfect" Gravity children who are "Perfect" because they can withstand the gravity chamber. This is not the case. Ringo can only do it because of her high pressure road. Even Kilik, the strongest GC couldn't withstand it well.

Okay, now here's the picture...Just who is this guy. We have never seen a character with his design in the manga. My guess is this guy was a researcher with Ikki's dad (or is Ikki's dad) and that he was a gravoty child.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9561/airgearmysteriousguyfm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[kaider]

I've actually talked about this guy before..
But after that page there was no mention of him in the manga, so we thought that it might be some random dude, to whom Ikki lost in a fight
Plus his dad should look a bit older than that :D

Anyway, i hope that they dont make Ikki soe uber unknown experiment, and make him a special kind of shit.. Let him be just a human with talent.

[Selierei]

Hey...What page in the manga is that? >.> *Cannot find it* And if that's Ikki's memory of that person, and it was from a long time ago, then it might be his dad. :) You never know~

[burnedalive]

It's in the fight with bucca.....Also, Isn't that the one pro AT guy?

[Riyuuchu]

Dude, the guy in Ikki's memory is already introduced in the manga. He's a Professional AT Football player now, he cut his hair short but nevertheless it is him.

[kaider]

I really believe it wasnt the footbal player, the player is just an old friend
Also it couldnt be Ikkis dad, cuz Ikki was shown to be quite close to his present age, that means he had that experience not a very long time ago..

[Ferahgo]

It's not the football player, notice the long blond hair. The football player had short dark hair. And it is possible for that to be ikki's father. Because the last time ikki could have seen his father was before he was eight, so 7-10 years ago. So his father could have looked like that. In addition, if Ichigo was a gravity child, he would be second generation like Ringo, Ume and Maken. His father could have been a first generation who had kids. If you haven't noticed, I think all the gavity children are older than they appear. So maybe he justs looks younger because of that.

[kaider]

Well Ikkis dad isnt any generation, hes a scientis, possibly even one of those responsible for the creation of GC and all..
As to the photo - Ikkis face is shown there, and he looks like hes already beyond 12, so it sholdnt be his dad there..

[Riyuuchu]

For the love of...

Ikki himself said the long haired man was the professional AT Football Player, Do you people read the actual manga or just skim through it for pretty pictures and boobs?

Ikki was just a punk during that time and Ikki never managed to win against the senior who now is a professional football player.

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/86/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/86/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/87/19/

Look at it and please stop warping facts to support your arguments.

[kaider]

Well ill be...

Shoulda been left a mystery IMO
I dont even remember that page 19 had those lines, tho ive read the manga 3 times :D

PS: Anyway, thanx for puttin that in the dark forgotten corner that noone will ever speak of

[Selierei]

For the love of...

Ikki himself said the long haired man was the professional AT Football Player, Do you people read the actual manga or just skim through it for pretty pictures and boobs?

Ikki was just a punk during that time and Ikki never managed to win against the senior who now is a professional football player.

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/86/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/86/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/87/19/

Look at it and please stop warping facts to support your arguments.
Ooh, thanks. I read the whole series when I was half asleep, and I only read it once...^^... Sorry. XD But I think you should have replaced the 'and' in this part, "skim it for pretty pictures and boobs?" with the word 'of.' XD Heheheh...

[kaider]

Boobs!! Where!? Gimme!
*cough*..
..
Sorry for that, that was the guy inside who's wearing a shirt that has a big glowin "MALE" sign on it, sometimes he goes out of controll, especially if im too hi or drunk to resist him :D

Anyway.. Yes the pretty big pictures sometimes got in my way of reading.. but thats just cuz im lazy and i skip readin a few lines if the page has a huge picture takin 90% of the space :)

[NoName]

um...he may not be a gravity child but he may be like akito/agito with the personality lind accept without the whole different personality. Which means that he wouldn't necessarly just have the crosses in his eyes and it would be hiding. Plus if he was a new breed it doesn't necessarily mean that he would have to have crosses in his eyes. After all like i said akito didn't have it until lind came out. So personally i think he is one just the cross thing hides. And it would be great if rest of the team were some kind of GC.

[caffine addict]

It highly unlikely that Ikki would be a regular GC seeing as he doesnt have the GC eyes. And even though Ikki's personality has major swings it really doesnt support a multi-personality. Even though Lind made his appearence so late in the manga, Akito has shown through out that he had more than one personality. To say that ikki is a new and improved GC would be complete odd since Ume is 4 years younger but a regular GC (she also the weakest of SF). However to say Ikki is a regular human seems a little odd to me, since was given to Rika by the same uncle that gave her 3 GC....