Christianity

[Tanbird]

Well I'm a die-hard christian but I was wondering what you guys think of the church as a whole. I probably won't be making any more post I just want to know your honest opinion.

[Hyvortonis]

The church is the people. Not the building or staff of the building.

As for church of Christ. What do I think? I think they should continue to be disciplining their children for standing up for what is right, teaching their children about the Lord, and continue to do God's will.

[Noxes]

I think that, in order for you to call what the political positions of the church "righteous", your moral compass must be so fucked up that I'm surprised you can find your keyboard.

Opressing gay people is right?
Killing doctors that perform abortions is right?
Telling a rape victim that she'll go to hell if she doesn't have the baby is right?

Most of Jesus' teachings were about peace and loving your fellow man, regardless of his or her creed or nationality. He was a big man in the lepper community, a group of people carried a highly contagious disease that makes your skin literally rot off... and the modern church can't even handle alternative sexuality.

Christianity is a pretty good idea... and a shitty fucking religion.

[Abel]

The concept is good but if you look at other religions they're all based on the "treat others as you'd like to be treated" idea or something similar. But anyways I don't know if its like this in most places or just where I go to church but I think it is a bit repetitive and doesn't involve the majority of people there enough. I still go every week but its becoming more out of routine than intrest.

[Hyvortonis]

Christianity is not a shitty religion, it is the people who do bad things and screw up the doctrine's teachings that claim to be Christians while giving it a ad name.

no, It is the best idea, but people (individuals) lose sight of what God did teach us. That is why God said we were sinners, because a lot of us did screwed up crap to harm other people for selfish reasons.

Killing doctors that perform abortions right?
I don't agree with killing doctors who perform abortions is right.

I would like to point out the definition of abortion is to cancel. What are they canceling? Exactly what?

No, I don't think it is wrong in essence to give the person who was raped the choice to abort the baby, but I highly discourage it. Only because, in essence you are making the child that was a result of a evil deed to be the one blamed. You are canceling a child's right to live.


I heard once that theft is the worst sin.
and all sins are a form of theft.

When you kill a man, you take away his right to live.
You take the wife's right to a husband and the children's right to a father.

when you rape someone, you take away the person's right to ones own sanctity (Might have misspelled) and purity.

When you abort a baby, you take away that child's right to live.


I personally don't like what abortionist's do, but killing them is wrong. They misunderstand where a child's life begins.


As for the ones that do get pregnant from sex, and willingly had sex. They should accept the consequences when something like that happens. because having sex with someone is a sacred thing. You are and by becoming one with
the other person.

Don't judge Christians too readily. I am against gay marriage, only because. by definition marriage is between a man and a woman. not only that. Marriage was and is a Christian ritual done between a man and a woman under God.
Gay people for all I care can become a couple, but they are the ones wanting and pushing for the Christian religious acceptance as a married couple under God. It is a religious affront to Christians, when they call it marriage. If they call it something different, fine with me. The whole purpose of a marriage is not financial or anything. It is a sworn oath made to God that you will be together with the one person of opposite sex until death do you part.

That is the qualm we have with Gay marriage. They completely distort the Christian religion and insult it.

Your sexual preference I don't care, but your insulting and generalizing Christians and what some of them do, is insulting.

By allowing gay people being sworn under God. That is offensive to the Christian faith.

If society changed the word from married to partnership or something the other. It wouldn't be an issue.

[Hyvortonis]

You are incorrect that you wouldn't normally see names like john Mathew, or Paul. Remember the translators from Hebrew to English would change the spelling of a name. The origin however remains the same and you have to understand what the names were in that era of history, not what they are today.

Among them you will find Paul, Mathew, and Peter:
Jewish/ Hebrew names

http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/jew.php

scroll down to the m section to find this: MATTITHYAHU = Matthew
KAPEL = Jacob
ISSUR = Isreal
IMMANUEL = EMMANUEL
HASKEL = Ezekial
GAVREL = Gabriel
DOVID = David

some other you will find in the bible:
Levi
Leviticus
ISAIAH
ISAAC

Roman Origins:
PAULA = Paul
remember how the story goes, Paul was a Christian hater and killer. He was Roman, but he changed.

all the names in the bible. They are there. They were true. Do not say that it was distorted. The church may have bent doctrine, however, not everyone in the church is that way. I said not to generalize the church. It is the individual.

Roman names:
http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/rom-anci.php

If you can't find a few other names in Jewish language, remember, they were under Roman rule at one point. Also pertaining to the Romans and Gay behavior. Actually, the Bible was strict on what was to be, and if you understood history, there were church groups that was against Roman Catholic rules. (This is why America became, they wanted religious freedom.) Part of the reason why Catholic church had such a rule is because not many people had bibles then. So, they could not read for themselves the bible. Until the Bible became more common to everyone, there weren't any contesters. However, there were still individuals that kept the accuracy of the bible and the written word of God.
Back to Gay behavior: during the times, of the roman empire, there was a lot of gay behavior. It was not uncommon. And if it existed once in history it will repeat again, and it happened to repeat in the Roman Catholic church.



And by no means some of the sickening things you described is part of the church I am speaking of. You see, a church is not the building, it is the people. Not the Popes, the people. The Popes could be a part, but they are not the church. They are an individual with the church.

And the heart of man is inherently evil.



Mary's name is Hebrew decent:
http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/mary/

You have to understand that the names back then are actually the real origins of the name that the English is translated into. it may be a shorter version now, but it is the same. The era in which Jesus lived was in during the Roman empires rule.

I know some friends that will tell the truth, and they had access to read the dead sea scrolls which were found and translated to be the Bible. It is almost 99% accurate from when it was written. And I say 99% accurate because the flaws in translating the words from Hebrew to English would change a few small words like "you" instead of "thy/thee".

I heard that the New King James version is an accurate translation into English from Hebrew.


Oh, and so you know, There are many different churches now a days. I am Non-denomination. I don't have a set translation of the king James version of the Bible, people tend to take the Bible's word out of context. I will take it metaphorically/literally. When God said He did something, He did it.
That is what I believe.

[Thalarian]

What is this God you speak of?


Other than myself of course.

[Tanbird]

well to my first post disregard the no more post thing.
to the thing of contraception I as a Christian don't feel it's a bad thing, it's actually a really good thing to me.
To homosexuality, read Leviticus 18. that entire chapter is about sexual immoralities.
-To the people that distort the doctrine and it becomes its own little tangent there's a curse in revelations for them
-To clerical sex abuse, that's between them and God, Personally i know somebody who committed clerical sex abuse.... bottom line he's wrong and he's serving time for that right now even though it happened 20 years ago. In James 5 it says (and I'm paraphrasing) You can do what you want while you're on the earth but you'll have to atone for your actions.
-And to the issue of the oppression of homosexuals . Ephesians 6:12 says For our struggle is not of the flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. This statement means that we should not be oppressing the people but that the battle is in the mind. When Satan can cloud your thinking it effects the rest of your actions. So anyone who's like God hates gays, they are sorely misguided. Romans 5:8 says, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." so if God can take our bull and still make a way for us even though we don't deserve it shouldn't we follow this example and be kind and at least make a way for them instead of shutting them out.I know I have friends that are homosexual and guess what all you homophobes They're Just People!!!.
I believe most of what you're saying has nothing to do with the true doctrine of Christianity, but it's about the evils that man has brought to the church they've corrupted it and driven many people away.






Here's a story about a man. This man walks up to a church and he's eager to learn about Christianity. so he goes up to the door and a deacon, a leader of the church, comes up to him and says " no you can't come in, not dressed like that" so the man goes away sad. This man never went back to a church again, because of that one instance. This man's name was Gandhi. I said this to say that all the actions of Christians have consequences. in James 2:1-12 it says to beware of prejudice, you can think of it like this anyone in the church that has an attitude like this is an abomination to God. Their prideful attitude is despicable and I would personally like to apologize for these people's actions from the bottom of my heart.


Hey and I want to let You guys in on a secret.Christianity is about lowering yourself to reach others..... in short Servanthood

[Hyvortonis]

Tanbird, I agree with you on all the points you placed. I hope you don't misunderstand my station. I disapprove of gay marriage. I can't stop it in any way shape or form. It doesn't mean I have to like it.

I am definitely not prejudice of gays. I have a gay friend. I know he is a God fearing Christian. I would gladly sit next to him in church to worship God with him as a friend.

What I am also saying is that, I have reasons to not approve of what gay people are doing. It does address the issue about being gay. God did say it was an abomination to do that. I also understand what you were saying about God making the impossible, possible. He can make a camel fit through a needle loop. Iremember that being said somewhere.

And the number one criteria to being saved is this:

You completely believe Jesus Christ is your savior, He did die on the cross to save us from our sins, and He is the son of God.

He also said that we are saved unconditionally (by grace) through the blood of Jesus Christ. No matter what sin you committed, as long as you believe Jesus Christ is your savior, you go to heaven.

[Tanbird]

No I totally agree with you, and thanks for your input. I wasn't talking to you I was talking to the Pseudo-Christians that might read this thread.

[Noxes]

Tanbird... I thought you weren't going to post anymore? Also, if you need to lower yourself to other people's level... that means you started out higher than them. Get the fuck over your devout self. Pride? It's a cardinal sin. See you in hell my friend :666:

Also, Hypertonis, claiming that Christianity is the best idea is like claiming that purple is the best color. When you masturbate your own ego like that all it does is piss non-christians off, and convince them that you are massive idiot. Again, pride, sin, hell. I'll save you a seat next to Tanbird.

Are you guys really as thick as you make yourselves out to be? Even accepting the teachings of Jesus christ as something that came directly from the hands of god, the church is still a human creation. I don't remember Jesus saying anywhere that Thou Shalt Elect a Pope, and He Shalt Wear a Funny Hat.

The Church, and everything it does, is a product of the people within it.

To make it even simpler, THE CHURCH IS PEOPLE.

Just like Soilent Green.

This means that when a Priest of the Catholic faith forms a lynch mob and kills a scientist for, say, suggesting that the world isn't flat? And when the Catholic church knowingly endorses this man and fails to punish him in any way? The Catholic church has accepted responsibility for his actions. If you think that what they did was wrong, kick them out of the fucking church and maybe absolve your fan-club of some of the shit stains on it's record.

[Hyvortonis]

So, you are saying I can't have my opinion and freedom of speech?
I am not allowed the opinion of saying that I think it would be great if more people followed Jesus Christ?

What's your favorite manga. Just like that, You are asically saying I can't be a Naruto fan and have a favorite Anime to follow. Great idea! Lets get rid of Favorites!... Hint the sarcasm.

Your views need to be straightened out.

As for pride. Pride does lead to downfall. I never said I follow the church.
And you are referring to the pope like he is my king. NO! I even said that the church is the people. READ MY POSTS!

I am not even Catholic.

I follow God's word from the Bible. That's it (And even then, I don't all ways go the right course, but that is my own to deal with).


Noxes:
"This means that when a Priest of the Catholic faith forms a lynch mob and kills a scientist for, say, suggesting that the world isn't flat? And when the Catholic church knowingly endorses this man and fails to punish him in any way? The Catholic church has accepted responsibility for his actions. If you think that what they did was wrong, kick them out of the fucking church and maybe absolve your fan-club of some of the shit stains on it's record."

Again, I am not apart of the Catholic church. You have a one track mind to think that the catholic church is the only church out there.

And when the Catholic church endorses someone who murders someone, and does nothing about it. I believe the catholic church should take responsibility
for their actions.
just because someone doesn't have the same opinion doesn't mean you should kill the guy. I strongly believe that is wrong.

AND DON'T TAKE MY WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT. Before you post, and you don't know a person's complete opinion ask questions and clarify things. You are trying to make me out to be some A-hole. I am not.

[Tanbird]

Hey Noxes, when I say lowering yourself to reach others. I mean servant hood you should cater to others needs before you think of your own, always try to give into peoples lives. I'm sorry if i didn't explain myself clearly enough. But if humbling yourself is wrong then the entire Christian religion is Topsy-turvy. Pride is thinking you are better than others, lowering yourself to a servant's level in no way resembles that.

Oh and i'm not catholic i believe that the catholic church is wrong in the fact that they base everything off of tradition. I feel bad for the members because they aren't in an environment where they can be nurtured and grow. They run through the motions without a true understanding of what Christianity is. They think it's a one time thing where you go to church, pray through mary, and you'll never burn. Christianity is a lifestyle servant hood is a lifestyle. If they would pick up a bible themselves, read and meditate on it than many of them would recognize some of the things they are doing are wrong.


To truly be part of the Church God has ordained you must believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. You have to do more than just sit in a seat and yell "Amen!" and "Preach it!"
So Noxes I can see where you might be confused because of some of the actions of the people sitting in the building, but I can tell you many are going to burn if they don't fix their actions. These people have no reason to do what is wrong, because they know what to do. And I'm sorry if that confused you because the fools in the church won't do right.

A fool by the bible's definition is somebody that knows what is right and what is wrong and still does what is wrong.... and I believe there are a lot of them sitting in pews, But I know i'm trying to change that.