Ikki vs. Lind

[ceezy]

Well Agito said he was gonna take over again and Ikki would have to defeat him, what do you guys think about it?

[Lukannon]

As it is, Lind.

Close-range skills: Lind is pretty much unequaled, added to the fact that he's completely ruthless.

Long-range skills: I don't remember if he ever fired an actual fang or not, but Lind's Infinity Jail is sufficient anyway.

Ikki's strong, but he can't land a hit on Lind; the bastard'll just ride on Ikki's arm and carve his muscles to shreds. His wind is impressive, but Ikki needs time and kicking distance to start it up, both factors that Lind is more than capable of completely shutting it down. The Infinity Jail's rotation is so tight, Ikki'll just be running around in circles if he tries to ride on them.

[Reincarnation]

lol lukannon....

are u an agito fanboy ???

but anyway...logical reasoning would tell me to go with lind but i dont see O!G letting ikki lose to anyone on his team

ikki has a huge plot shield

[XeroScythe]

LoL @ Thread?


For starters, as its been stated, Ikki has immortality against being defeated by anyone in Kogarasumaru. First, because he's the leader, and second because he is the main character. Another fact to consider is that Lind may be cool, but in the end Agito still wrestled control away from him. Assuming that Ikki > Agito any time of day, we can assume Ikki > Lind in a similar fashion.

[Lukannon]

lol lukannon....

are u an agito fanboy ???

but anyway...logical reasoning would tell me to go with lind but i dont see O!G letting ikki lose to anyone on his team

ikki has a huge plot shield

I don't consider myself one, at any rate :3 Lind is just really overpowered given the current nature of AT battles.

[trad85]

I don't know if Ikki can beat Lind without a Regalia, now. Lind's fast and he doesn't run around like Kazu, and at the first chance he cuts your throat. One mistake and Ikki is done for.

[Raenef]

it's pretty apparent that ikki also is a genius in respect to his ability to adapt to many difficult situations. so..im wouldn't be too sure to bet on Lind as of now. But considering the fact that Lind is skill/technique-wise genius and has the ability to reach his maximum speed in a blink...at the moment, Lind will probably rape Ikki in a short period of time.

[Lind]

What I think will happen in that battle is that Ikki will start off ok, but then Lind will start kicking his ass and it will go on for awhile then Agito take over again.

[Keeita]

ikki will slaughter lind even though i like lind better ... ikki is just has endless amount of talent he even poops great lmao! hes like the next gackt .. or maybe the next MANA .. wada beast ><

[Shinyuki]

hmm .... the linds power is just so amazing ...
he blew orca away just so easily ..... but we all know that ikki is freakish and uncalculably ... i confess that im a little bit afraid of ikki .. but youre right: even though crazy kick-ass ikki cant beat sexy badass lind without regalia...
hmmm .. it would be a very nice fight because their characteristics are a little bit alike.. both are such badasses xD

[Jakkin]

There is no counter for the Kuu Missle.

[Sir_Aaron]

Kuu missile?? rotfl !!

Ikki must learning a lot of new techniques that faster, stronger, more destructive which we don't know...so I'll waiting for that event..and for Kuu.. maybe he improved with Kuu's Torpedo!!!

[WTFAMI??]

LOL, Ikki fans make me laugh, yeah Ikki is highly impressive but come on, to beat Lind who is like Zaraki Kenpachi from "Bleach" I don't think so ,Lind has the agility to dodge those "kuu missiles" with ease and if they were to hit him he would brush them off like mosquito bites, no sweat.Even with a regalia Ikki couldn't match Lind the guys a maniac, also don't forget Agito doesn't use one either, I am not an Agito/Lind fan boy (Kazu-all-the-way!!!) but saying he would beat Lind is kinda far-fetched, he has to work on beating full power Agito first.

[Sir_Aaron]

thats your opinin...but..Kuu's Torpedo will chase him no matter what to the end of the world ...lolz..All Hail Ikki and Kuu-sama

[Gimmie]

Oh man Lind/agito fan boys. I mean i can understand Lind beating him close range but far range battle ikki has to win he has reached god mode lvl. The only real long Range tech that lind is maybe the fang and maybe the fang cage which . iam pretty sure ikki can break through or nullify it >,> lind may be fast but iam sure its short distance speed and kazu has to run longer distances to reach his max speed

[WTFAMI??]

ikki has to win he has reached god mode lvl.

Ikki is far from god mode level, come on...

The only real long Range tech that lind is maybe the fang and maybe the fang cage which . iam pretty sure ikki can break through or nullify it.
Bloody Blade Fang is kind of a one hit KO and if Ikki were to try to break out of the cage Lind would just command his fangs to close on him.


lind may be fast but iam sure its short distance speed

Lind is mad fast the guy was fighting Orca and flying.. literally, and he cut Orca's throat so quickly not even Orca realized and that was right after Orca said "OMG you are fast."

[Gimmie]

lind cut orca's throat close range hence close range battle and i already said lind would win close range it also hasnt been said if lind can produce a fang and anyways iam pretty sure ikki can swat it away. he did stop a combination attack from sora and black burn if you going to tell me he can stop that and not a bloody fang >,> and its been shown that ikki has a high amount thresh hold for attack and was i the only one reading air gear ikki trapped kazu in a wind votex
stops a combination attack.Your telling me that isnt near god lvl? oh and if ikki uses the Regalia theres no way ikki could be beat in a far range battle even the
great Sora was fearing him

[blabla123]

Lind is strong in strength, yet is lack of mental :3 He lose to Agito in mentally power.

Beside. I still wondered who Lind is. o-o

[Lukannon]

Uh, the thing about Lind is that everything flows. He CAN fire fangs, he does perform Infinity Jail, the thing about Ikki defending is that he won't have a chance to do it. If he tries a punch, Lind immediately trounces him in close-range, if he tries to retreat, Lind's fangs close on him because he's already woven a jail. Vercin wasn't able to do anything against him, and he's one of the best; Ikki won't do shit either.

There's a REASON Lind is able to call Agito, who is acknolwedged as a battle genius, a fool who only knows the fangs. Lind's fighting style is separate from almost every other character; everything flows, from one to the next. The 'slice' incorporated into the Bloody Road's normal movementsare used during actual combat to generate the Infinity Jail without even stopping. Compare that to, say, Akira and Agito, who actually stop what they're doing to perform a fang, and you can see why Lind is disappointed. He's pretty much the pinnacle of the Bloody Road at the moment.

That's why Ikki can't beat him. It isn't that it's impossible, it just won't happen; he could only win if he keeps his distance, but he's not the type to constantly retreat, and his best attacks take him closer to the enemy anyway. And once you close in, Lind wins, period. Then you have to keep in mind that whether Ikki has a Regalia or not, Agito's Bloody Blade Fang was created specifically to cut through Sora's wind...so you're still operating under the assumption that Lind can't do it.

I mean, I'm trying hard not to seem like a Lind fanboy here, I can't stand the guy personally, but it's impossible to argue that he's not a dominating presence. I'd honestly rank him up next to Sora and Nike; he's incredibly fast, incredibly resilient, incredibly smart, and skillful enough to conquer the weak body he has with the Bloody Road. I mean, the Bloody Road in and of itself is pretty low-key compared to the Wing Road, but I would still say Lind's competing on a pretty even level with Sleeping Forest and Genesis.

[Reflector]

Lukannon speaks the truth. How could Ikki even hope to defeat Lind, when he can't even beat Agito without problems. No matter what you Ikki-fanboys think, Ikki isn't your Kami-sama or god level. He's barely above Kazu, and might not even be stronger than Agito.

Lind has been shown to be way more masterful and efficient in his use of the bloody road than Agito. Lind beats Ikki in Close combat, skill and strategy. The only thing Ikki has on Lind is projectiles, and even there, it's arguable.

So, Lind >> Ikki. Nuff' said.

[Gimmie]

Man so many lind fanboys out there ; 3 if you cant see the point that ikki wins far range then you should reread the latest chapters first of all the fang and the cage wont do anything for the reason that ikki is wind/hurricane king it been shown that ikki can nullify high lvl attacks such as sora and blackburns combo
iam pretty sure Blackburn+sora > Lind plus anyways it hasnt been shown that Lind can even produce a fang >,> if your assuming that. he can then its easy to that ikki can blow away any attack that lind can produce that is wind based
because he takes after sora as in he is canidate to wind king if anything Ikki wins because he is the main character and the main character always wins at the end
"He's barely above Kazu" might wanna reread that chapter ^,~

in end main character >side character

[Ikki2107]

couldn't ikki win by riding the fang whne launched at him? then using the torndo to block lind in then going for the win or something like that?

[Lukannon]

first of all the fang and the cage wont do anything for the reason that ikki is wind/hurricane king it been shown that ikki can nullify high lvl attacks such as sora and blackburns combo

That's close range, fool. Ikki hasn't shown himself capable of making more than a wall in one direction.

...Guess where the cage hits?

iam pretty sure Blackburn+sora > Lind plus anyways it hasnt been shown that Lind can even produce a fang >,>

What do you think the Infinity Jail is MADE of? I normally try to refrain from calling people idiots, but you, good sir, take the cake.

"This guy managed to burn down a house using only two sticks!"

"We still don't know if he can build a campfire with those two sticks or not..."

if your assuming that. he can then its easy to that ikki can blow away any attack that lind can produce that is wind based

Wrong. l2/logic; there's no logical flow between saying Lind can make fangs when he's already performed a maneuver where making fangs is a prerequisite...and saying Ikki can blow away any attack. Especially seeing as Ringo already blasted through his first Endless Grappler.

because he takes after sora as in he is canidate to wind king if anything Ikki wins because he is the main character and the main character always wins at the end
"He's barely above Kazu" might wanna reread that chapter ^,~

Nobody cares about plot armor.

couldn't ikki win by riding the fang whne launched at him? then using the torndo to block lind in then going for the win or something like that?

In the first place, Lind hasn't fired off a single fang normally. There's nothing to ride, Ikki would just be going in circles in the Infinity Jail. Even if we assumed Lind DID go the route of just firing a fang(which he's pretty much said is stupid), and that Ikki could ride it, and that he could block Lind's approach with a tornado, he still can't make the tornado while riding the fang and he still can't beat Lind without approaching. Even Endless Grappler still brings Ikki up to the enemy, as demonstrated in the Ringo fight, and that's the only real long-range ATTACK Ikki has demonstrated.

[Gimmie]

Lukannon your such a little fanboy ignoring the fact that Ikki has beat about every opponent he has to face.Btw way sir if i remember correctly flaming is against the rules, If you go so far as to try and flame me means that you have lost the arguement ;D Idiot. I repeat it has yet to be shown that Lind can produce a freakin Fang!! use fact Idiot not assumptions it hasnt been shown that Lind can produce any type of Far range tech Lind has been shown to be a close Range fighter making him easy pickings for far range battles with Ikki
and anyways it has been shown that Ikki is no push over for close range Melee
seeing as he can take hits from the hammer and fight Ringo he will just make up some new move and crush Lind seeing as Lind hasnt been shown to be able to take hit anymore hit then Agito can if your going to argue this Idiot come out with a fact that negates what i said Ikki >Lind

[Lukannon]

Lukannon your such a little fanboy ignoring the fact that Ikki has beat about every opponent he has to face.Btw way sir if i remember correctly flaming is against the rules, If you go so far as to try and flame me means that you have lost the arguement ;D

Every opponent? Every opponent? I disagree. He lost to Ringo. He lost to the White Wolves. He lost to Akira. He lost to Ume. He's currently losing to the former Sleeping Forest(and if you don't believe that, he admits it; "they're just too strong, we can't take them on head-on").

Then, guess what. Nobody cares about plot armor in a power level discussion.

If you truly believe a flame means I've lost the argument, I recommend you rethink your logic. Oh, wait, you have none, never mind. Guess you won't have to hurt your head after all.

Idiot. I repeat it has yet to be shown that Lind can produce a freakin Fang!! use fact Idiot not assumptions it hasnt been shown that Lind can produce any type of Far range tech Lind has been shown to be a close Range fighter making him easy pickings for far range battles with Ikki

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"What do you think the Infinity Jail is MADE of?"

Infinity Jail = Cage of Fangs = Fang Production. There's nothing to refute here; it's FACT that Lind can produce some sort of fang. Whether he can perform the Bloody Blade Fang is irrelevant at the moment. All you can do is say 'oh, he hasn't done it!'

"This guy managed to burn down a house using only two sticks!"

"We still don't know if he can build a campfire with those two sticks or not..."

I would normally just quote myself and be done with it, but I don't trust you to understand the meaning of what I say if I don't come out and explain it to you.

In the first place, this doesn't matter anyway except to defend my initial argument. Lind DID in fact fire a fang; read the last few pages of page 192. He fires a fang in Nakayama's direction in order to knock off the water tiara.

and anyways it has been shown that Ikki is no push over for close range Melee
seeing as he can take hits from the hammer and fight Ringo he will just make up some new move and crush Lind seeing as Lind hasnt been shown to be able to take hit anymore hit then Agito can if your going to argue this Idiot come out with a fact that negates what i said Ikki >Lind

Ikki hasn't been shown to be able to hit AGITO, much less Lind, so it doesn't matter how many hits Lind can take. I've written about the Bloody Road before and I don't have the patience to do anything about it now, but suffice it to say that Vercin, a King since birth, couldn't even TOUCH Lind. If you really think Ikki will do any better, then please, prove he can hit Agito.

Ikki's no slouch in close range? Agito's kicks were enough to give him the nickname of 'Shark.' And Lind is far, far stronger and faster than he is. You mention his fight with Ringo; excellent, it proves my point. He wasn't able to do anything in that fight. Ringo completely wiped the floor with him. He managed to get a belt around her; she still nearly knocked him out and destroyed his AT. Then he got the Wind Regalia, and she STILL won using Turquoise Sonia. Yeeeeeah, I'm impressed.

The label fanboy doesn't begin to cover anything here.

[rathy Aro]

Lukannon your such a little fanboy ignoring the fact[s]
XD I <3 Irony.

Though I do disagree about Ringo beating Ikki I'd say Lind is clearly better than Ikki. Ikki had a shitty wind regalia so they weren't even on even grounds. And they both looked beat up at the end.

[Waking_Dreamer]

XD I <3 Irony.

Though I do disagree about Ringo beating Ikki I'd say Lind is clearly better than Ikki. Ikki had a shitty wind regalia so they weren't even on even grounds. And they both looked beat up at the end.

Havent thought deeply about it but Im leaning towards Lind. As for the Ikki and Ringo battle im pretty sure it was a tie. They both ended up floating in the water looking up at the sky. Though Ikki was actually able to keep walking after the bettle. Actually, as impresive that battle was both were limited by their Regalias. Ikki's had those replica ones and Ringo's hadnt been tuned since she was last Thorn Queen.

[Lukannon]

The problem with Ikki's Regalia was that it shattered, not that it was weak. Ringo penetrated the Endless Grappler, Ikki just wasn't able to bring a stronger attack due to Hako's Regalia breaking...I'd still say that's a win for Ringo, not much he could've done by then anyway.

Still, I can see why you'd say it's a tie.

[Gimmie]

man everyone is a freakin fanboying Lind the fact is that Lind had only 1 battle while as Ikki has had many your judging all of Lind power in one battle Against Orca and it can be disputed wether he shot a fang at the tiara or he simply slash it with his AT you have no grounds for the power lvl of Lind and when you say that Ikki cant touch Agito is also Irrelavent because that little Skirmish was in the start of AG and as everyone can see Ikki has gotten allot stronger since then.you can boast a character after seeing One battle which was about 3 chapters long also you have to take into the acount that Lind was fighting someone with his own physical structer also this might be cutting hair but still valid he has yet to be shown to throw a straight Fang the infinity cage >,> is a different version of the Fang just how falco and Akira have different versions of the Fang so unless you can show me proof that he can throw a Straight Fang like Agito. Man this is worse then those Itachi Arguments where you only see about 30sec of burn then they get Ranked up very highly because of it never taking into acount that they only pawnd one person. Now everyone will rank him up there with the best of the best Comparing him to Sora piff >,>

[Waking_Dreamer]

The problem with Ikki's Regalia was that it shattered, not that it was weak. Ringo penetrated the Endless Grappler, Ikki just wasn't able to bring a stronger attack due to Hako's Regalia breaking...I'd still say that's a win for Ringo, not much he could've done by then anyway.

Still, I can see why you'd say it's a tie.

hmm...well isnt one of the big differences between the Wing Roads and the Thorn Road's Infinity Atmosphere is that Ringo takes as much damage as she inflicts. Ikki wouldn't have been able to pull off anymore attacks (shattered Regalia) but Ringo wouldnt have been able too either. Technically couldnt Ikki have disbanded Sleeping Forest right there, but instead made it a tie by carrying the helpless Ringo over the finish line as well.

Well I'll leave it for there since its going off topic...

[Lukannon]

man everyone is a freakin fanboying

Ignored for stupid.

Lind the fact is that Lind had only 1 battle while as Ikki has had many your judging all of Lind power in one battle Against Orca

And? We're judging him based on what we know. It isn't as though that's very little, he was clearly demonstrated to be superior to Vercingetorix who was clearly demonstrated to be superior to Agito who is at least on an even standing with Ikki. Simple.

and it can be disputed wether he shot a fang at the tiara or he simply slash it with his AT

I want to ignore this as well, but you don't seem to have the intelligence to be a troll. If you'd actually READ the chapter like I told you, you would realize why your argument fails completely.

you have no grounds for the power lvl of Lind

But I do. He fought enough for us to judge his power. End of story.

and when you say that Ikki cant touch Agito is also Irrelavent because that little Skirmish was in the start of AG

Read my post. I take the time to write it properly, using actual sentences instead of paragraph-length run-ons, with proper punctuation and capitalization and spacing. This is all so people can read it without racking their brains.

Ikki hasn't been shown to be able to hit AGITO, much less Lind, so it doesn't matter how many hits Lind can take.

You continuously say "We haven't seen Lind do this" or "We haven't seen enough of Lind to judge," and yet we haven't seen Ikki land a hit on Agito yet. Given that that is true, how can you argue that Ikki will beat Lind at close-range, when he was fast and skillful enough not only to avoid a Gravity Child's attacks, but also to slit his throat without him realizing?

you can boast a character after seeing One battle which was about 3 chapters long also you have to take into the acount that Lind was fighting someone with his own physical structer

It doesn't matter. Vercin is fast enough to catch a fucking missile, and not only could he not hit Lind, he couldn't even stop him from slitting his throat. What part of this is hard to understand? Ikki can be as strong as the Hulk. Doesn't matter if he can't hit Lind. The beauty of both the Bloody Road and of Lind's style is that it doesn't matter how physically strong the other party is. Ikki's muscles can be as hard as a rock. Lind will still carve him up.

also this might be cutting hair but still valid he has yet to be shown to throw a straight Fang the infinity cage >,> is a different version of the Fang just how falco and Akira have different versions of the Fang so unless you can show me proof that he can throw a Straight Fang like Agito.

Goddammit, do you not understand how ridiculous this is? This is like looking at a jogger, and me saying "Hey, I wonder how fast he could crawl," and you saying "We've only seen him jogging, we don't know if he could crawl or not." Do you not understand basic logic?

No matter how different your version of the fang is, EVERY SINGLE FANG HAS THE SAME PRINCIPLE AND EVERYONE WHO CAN THROW A FANG CAN THROW A BASIC FANG. Just like everyone who can run, no matter how they run, can walk or crawl.

Man this is worse then those Itachi Arguments where you only see about 30sec of burn then they get Ranked up very highly because of it never taking into acount that they only pawnd one person.

"Hey, yo, I just knocked out Muhammad Ali!"

"Who cares? He's still just one guy, we don't know how strong you are."

You mention Itachi. I'm glad you did. Amaterasu burned through the frog's stomach, something Jiraiya initially thought was impossible. Do you not understand the implications of this? He conquered a technique that one of the best shinobi in the world thought could not be broken out of. That, in addition to NUMEROUS statements saying that Itachi was one of the greatest ninja in the world, in addition to the numerous list of his accomplishments.

Now everyone will rank him up there with the best of the best Comparing him to Sora piff >,>

Remind me how many times Sora's fought, you fucking idiot. You're fully deserving of being flamed.

[Gimmie]

first off Idiot sora showed he his awsome pawnage against spit fire and he is feared by everyone and you have seen his power from the current arch.
Also Itachi may have been able to burn through the frogs stomach but if you noticed right before the little skirmish he tell Kisame to be careful of jiriaya
that they both would die fighting against him which brings up the point that he only did have 3 chapters of burn and you judging his power lvl on that also to bring up another point jiraiya is the secound strongest of the sanin while orochimaru is the strongest of of them Itachi dosent fear Orochimaru because he can easily pawn him yet he fears jiriaya if you dont get what then idk your an idiot just because Lind can pawn Orca dosent mean he can pawn Ikki and just because maybe Agito can pawn Ikki wouldnt definetly mean that Lind can beat him hands down even though you would think that automatically Lind would win
there is always the chance that Ikki can beat him because he has only been shown for 3 chapters and you cant full grasp his strengths and weaknesses.
Also just because Lind is fast dosent automatically means he will win. Take sora versus spit fire for instance spit fire being allot faster then Sora should mean he should have been able to run up to him really fast and beat the crap out of before he could notice but he didnt beat sora. Sora over powered him
because of his control over the wind hence brute strength. Another example would be Ikki versus Kazu or Ring they had more speed then Ikki but he still ended up winning at the end by over powering him btw Ikki stood up at the end making him the winner proving that sheer power can beat speed and tech.

[Jakkin]

first off Idiot sora showed he his awsome pawnage against spit fire and he is feared by everyone and you have seen his power from the current arch.
Also Itachi may have been able to burn through the frogs stomach but if you noticed right before the little skirmish he tell Kisame to be careful of jiriaya
that they both would die fighting against him which brings up the point that he only did have 3 chapters of burn and you judging his power lvl on that also to bring up another point jiraiya is the secound strongest of the sanin while orochimaru is the strongest of of them Itachi dosent fear Orochimaru because he can easily pawn him yet he fears jiriaya if you dont get what then idk your an idiot just because Lind can pawn Orca dosent mean he can pawn Ikki and just because maybe Agito can pawn Ikki wouldnt definetly mean that Lind can beat him hands down even though you would think that automatically Lind would win
there is always the chance that Ikki can beat him because he has only been shown for 3 chapters and you cant full grasp his strengths and weaknesses.
Also just because Lind is fast dosent automatically means he will win. Take sora versus spit fire for instance spit fire being allot faster then Sora should mean he should have been able to run up to him really fast and beat the crap out of before he could notice but he didnt beat sora. Sora over powered him
because of his control over the wind hence brute strength. Another example would be Ikki versus Kazu or Ring they had more speed then Ikki but he still ended up winning at the end by over powering him btw Ikki stood up at the end making him the winner proving that sheer power can beat speed and tech.


wtf does /b/ have to do with anything...


Btw the answer to this thread is


Kuu > ALL.

[Gimmie]

Iam gettin at the fact that he states that Lind pawns Orca dosent mean he will pawn Ikki


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also this might be cutting hair but still valid he has yet to be shown to throw a straight Fang the infinity cage >,> is a different version of the Fang just how falco and Akira have different versions of the Fang so unless you can show me proof that he can throw a Straight Fang like Agito.
Goddammit, do you not understand how ridiculous this is? This is like looking at a jogger, and me saying "Hey, I wonder how fast he could crawl," and you saying "We've only seen him jogging, we don't know if he could crawl or not." Do you not understand basic logic?

No matter how different your version of the fang is, EVERY SINGLE FANG HAS THE SAME PRINCIPLE AND EVERYONE WHO CAN THROW A FANG CAN THROW A BASIC FANG. Just like everyone who can run, no matter how they run, can walk or crawl.


example just because they run the same road and have same basic principle dosent mean that there abillities are the same Aeon clock and spit fire both ran apollos road but they were distinctively different Aeon clock can stop time
and spit fire can produce intense heat

it can also be argue that lind cant throw a straight strong fang like Agito
because his specialty is the Fang cage if you see at the end of the fight it was Agito who throw the Fang underwater not Lind. Lind also got tense under water then Agito saved the day by throwing a fang

[Lukannon]

Idiot sora showed he his awsome pawnage against spit fire

And Lind showed his awesome pawnage against Orca. In your words.

and he is feared by everyone and you have seen his power from the current arch.

Lind's feared by Agito and showed off his power in his battle. I don't see your point, the situation is really very similar.

Also Itachi may have been able to burn through the frogs stomach but if you noticed right before the little skirmish he tell Kisame to be careful of jiriaya
that they both would die fighting against him

Ah, but they didn't, now did they? Of course Itachi would tell Kisame to be careful of Jiraiya. He's a Sannin.

which brings up the point that he only did have 3 chapters of burn and you judging his power lvl

Do you really think restating the original argument makes it anymoar valid?

on that also to bring up another point jiraiya is the secound strongest of the sanin while orochimaru is the strongest of of them Itachi dosent fear Orochimaru because he can easily pawn him yet he fears jiriaya if you dont get what then idk your an idiot

What's your point? Itachi's never been shown to be able to easily pawn Orochimaru. In your words again. Of course I don't get this, you're not providing a logic bridge for me to go on. Why don't you say it more clearly so an idiot like me can understand? Or do youeven have an argument other than saying I'm an idiot for having facts on my side?

just because Lind can pawn Orca dosent mean he can pawn Ikki and just because maybe Agito can pawn Ikki wouldnt definetly mean that Lind can beat him hands down even though you would think that automatically Lind would win
there is always the chance that Ikki can beat him because he has only been shown for 3 chapters and you cant full grasp his strengths and weaknesses.

This is a far cry from your original argument. At any rate, of course it doesn't necessarily mean Lind can beat Ikki. I'm not looking at the fact that Lind completely utterly thrashed one of Genesis's best without breaking a sweat. I'm looking at how he did it. Ikki comes up short. That's all.

Can't fully grasp his strengths and weaknesses, what strengths and weaknesses? I don't need five chapters explaining to me the physics of how he moves. All I need to know is that he outsped the guy who could catch up to a missile, that in close range he was able to slit his throat without him even noticing, that he can get an Infinity Jail up right off his kicking techniques, that he can fire fangs, and that he's clearly got an excellent grasp of combat. Your arguments are pointless because we do indeed have direct references to Lind's abilities.

Also just because Lind is fast dosent automatically means he will win. Take sora versus spit fire for instance spit fire being allot faster then Sora should mean he should have been able to run up to him really fast and beat the crap out of before he could notice but he didnt beat sora. Sora over powered him
because of his control over the wind hence brute strength.

Did we ever see this fight that you value so highly? It wasn't even as short as Lind's fight. It didn't exist. Did you forget that Nike can freeze them in place? Or that Lind is superior to Genesis's secret weapon, and yet Spitfire is already crippled?

Your analogies would make sense...if they weren't complete nonsense.

Another example would be Ikki versus Kazu or Ring they had more speed then Ikki but he still ended up winning at the end by over powering him btw Ikki stood up at the end making him the winner proving that sheer power can beat speed and tech.

Your definition of 'winner' is really quite curious. Ikki ended the fight with shattered Regalia; Ringo ended it WITH a Regalia. She didn't stop moving until the end; by the terms of their battle, Ikki won, but had she pressed the fight, he could easily have died. But his Regalia was faulty, you argue? It's been stated that Ringo would've definitely won if she'd had her own Regalia tuned. "Standing up" might make one a winner in an AT battle, but it doesn't mean one can win in a head-on clash, which is all we're concerned about right now.

As for Ikki VS Kazu, your use of this example is ludicrous. It was, in essence, a game of tag. Kazu never attempted to attack at all.

example just because they run the same road and have same basic principle dosent mean that there abillities are the same Aeon clock and spit fire both ran apollos road but they were distinctively different Aeon clock can stop time
and spit fire can produce intense heat

No. Aeon and Spitfire both ran the Flame Road, the Apollon Road is their tag-team road. Both of them can stop time, both of them can produce flames, end of discussion. Time is nothing more than a subset of the Flame Road, whether Aeon chooses to use one more than the other is irrelevant. It isn't as though running a Road means you have to do the same thing. It means you have to be capable of performing the same basic things.

it can also be argue that lind cant throw a straight strong fang like Agito
because his specialty is the Fang cage if you see at the end of the fight it was Agito who throw the Fang underwater not Lind. Lind also got tense under water then Agito saved the day by throwing a fang

FUCKING HELL

The only thing that could possibly be argued is that Lind can't throw the Bloody Blade Fang, which I don't even care about because it's very irrelevant in the context of this fight. Except maybe to make Lind even more overpowered.

HE THROWS A STRAIGHT FANG IN ONE OF THE CHAPTERS, WHICH I HAVE LISTED. End of story.

Lind got tense underwater. Then he fucking breathed. Underwater. By making bubbles with his AT. I don't exactly call that tense, seeing as he was already smiling and looking forward to the battle when Agito attempted to break out. Do you even read the chapters?

[rathy Aro]

omfg. He's a brain charger and ikki has yet to demostrate tht he's even a gravity child. Its like saying SS 2 Vegeta would loose to Goku at the start of DBZ.... and that sounds A LOT like "fanboying" to me. Considering Ikki's rapid growth and the abilities he displayed against Ringo and Kazu its difficult to say anyone in AG can beat him without a doubt, but it IS more likely that Lind would win based on what we've seen. Period.

[Gimmie]

man this is fanboying at its best the managa artist creat a side character who seems to be really badass with a bad attidute and cool hair then everyone starts johning rally hardcore then supposedly that character can beat anyone

ok i first said Lind has advantage close range but Ikki has advantage far range
then everyone makes up these retarded situation where the close range character can beat the character with immense far range power.Why? because no one can get over the boner that they have for the close range character.
Thus the one person who argues over that fact that the far range charcter has a chance gets ganged.

I was gettin at the fact that Ikki still has a chance against Lind because he has a high threshhold for punishment and knowing a character like Lind.Lind would start toying with Ikki then he get Raped because he underestimate em.Ikki has been shown to have allot of talent and abbility in AG so its not safe to say that he will easilly get pawnd by anyone.

[Raenef]

...merely idiotic...

If A>B and B>C, then A>C.
Lind > Agito and Agito > Ikki, then Lind > Ikki

At least SOME bit of logic would've ended this arguement LONG ago.

fanboying or not, stands.

[Reflector]

If A>B and B>C, then A>C.


Actually, that isn't always the case. In some situations you have to look at some other factors than just battle strength, match-ups and weaknesses for an example. However, in this case you are right.

This thread has turned to quite a farce, with Lukannon owning Gimmie's raging fanboyism. I lost it when Gimmie started randomly pulling references to Naruto. I just couldn't take the bias and the ugly walls of text. L2paragraph, plz.

[Lukannon]

I was gettin at the fact that Ikki still has a chance against Lind because he has a high threshhold for punishment

Again. I don't care how much punishment Ikki can take; it doesn't matter if his muscles are as hard as steel if Lind cuts his throat.

and knowing a character like Lind.Lind would start toying with Ikki then he get Raped because he underestimate em.

I disagree entirely. You'll notice that even if Lind IS an arrogant person, he's never demonstrated himself to be the type to purposefully give the other one a fighting chance. He fires a fang at Nakayama's head and points out to Vercin that he was purposefully not aiming at him. Then he tells Orca he's going to come seriously...and what does he do? He comes seriously and cuts his throat.

Normally, here's where the arrogant villain starts talking. He didn't. Instead, he goes and kicks Vercin's ass some more. At this point, you might expect him to start talking and demonstrate the personality type you've labeled him as. Guess what, he didn't. He sets up the Infinity Jail beforehand.

[rathy Aro]

I don't like Lind.... He's an uninteresting character imo. I like Ikki better, because he's less pure than your typical main character so by no means am I "fanboying".

Also I doubt that Agito is better than Ikki. Ikki isn't some scrub that all the A-class riders can crush. I would bet that Ikki could beat Agito, only because Agito (alone) has proven himself as shit time and time again. Agito would have gotten destroyed by Ringo. He can only shoot out a few fangs before he has to give out.

I would actually say that Lind would win at both a distance and in close quarters. Lind's fang can probably pierce through any long rage wind attacks Ikki attempts to conjure and close up Lind is probably just a better fighter considering his road. Also lets remember that Lind probably has a little sharingan going (like all the gravity children are supposed to) and that means he'll be able to read Ikki's moves easily giving him yet another advantage.

Can you please explain how exactly Ikki would even come close to winning this match? (please try to be coherent and NOT sound like an ikki fangirl)

[WTFAMI??]

Ok people plzz read chapter 220 , falko pierced through kazu's time and ikki's barrier like a piece of foam, so plzz dont underestimate the fang king and his personality , and I still think ikki can't beat agito and I dont think we'll ever see a battle so I think we should just leave that alone.

[Gimmie]

what iam tryinmg to get at is that there is no true basis for the saying that Lind can beat Ikki just is not valid.Just because Agito can beat Ikki. The reason being that they have yet to show what he is capable of. in the cases of arguing over manga/anime scenarios when you match up 2 charcter against each other there is never really a distinct winner because theres always allot to take into account strenghs weaknesses battle field. what kind of fight it is also formulas such as
Lind>agito>Ikki dosent work

''Also I doubt that Agito is better than Ikki. Ikki isn't some scrub that all the A-class riders can crush. I would bet that Ikki could beat Agito, only because Agito (alone) has proven himself as shit time and time again. Agito would have gotten destroyed by Ringo. He can only shoot out a few fangs before he has to give out."

that makes sense because it has been shown that agito really cannot take punishment with his little body. Something that Lind mentions with his fight with vercin.


""Ok people plzz read chapter 220 , falko pierced through kazu's time and ikki's barrier like a piece of foam, so plzz dont underestimate the fang king and his personality , and I still think ikki can't beat agito and I dont think we'll ever see a battle so I think we should just leave that alone."

plz reread 220 yourself the fang was stronger because of sora and killiks attack. It was riding on there combined attack.

anyways my fav character isn't Ikki. There the sora brothers and Aeon clock.
i prefer bad guys over main character. the whole reason i started to argue is that everyone makes a match up with agito/lind vs X character and it turns
out that Agito/Lind would win. Now thats just something stupid to do.

[Lukannon]

Lol? Guess what. Your argument isn't valid at all because we've been given examples of Lind's capabilities. End of story.

[Gimmie]

which would be? How would it make anything i said none valid? my arguement is
that you cant say Ikki would just be pawnerd as everyone would think, Because he is a wild card and has been shown to pull crap out his ass, Also there is always to take into the acount of type of battle. Battle ground and many other variables. lol so tell me how would you make any argument you use against me
; ] an undeniable fact?<3

[Lukannon]

It doesn't matter what crap he pulls out of his ass. If you can't qualify it, you can't use it as an argument. I wouldn't ever argue that Onigiri could even touch Rika, for example, but he did it.

So, unless you can specify those variables in such a way as to make a coherent argument other than "oh, something could happen that would let Ikki win because it's happened before!" it's not even worth being called a point.

[Gimmie]

ok but where is your arguement? and it is a valid argument because it fits his character. He has been shown to pull off crap all the time.The element of surprise is never to be looked down upon.That my friend is the reason you cannot say that Lind will pawnerd Ikki. ;D if they have a match while both being
in top shape with regelia and tuned and Lind wins i cannot deny that he won because it would be a fact and not an assumption sweety ;3 <3

''It doesn't matter what crap he pulls out of his ass. If you can't qualify it, you can't use it as an argument. I wouldn't ever argue that Onigiri could even touch Rika, for example, but he did it."

thats a perfect example of the element of surprise/bullshit that happens in AG

if you can assume that Lind is so top tier after 3chapters then i can assume that Ikki is able to pull off some bullshit to win because he has a history of surprising people in the AG world. He has reached the tops of the AT world in a couple of months a feat that takes years because of his talent.Whats to say in the Gap between kazu vs Ikki to now Ikki hasnt devolved some new moves?

[Lukannon]

ok but where is your arguement?

Why don't you read my posts?

nd it is a valid argument because it fits his character. He has been shown to pull off crap all the time.The element of surprise is never to be looked down upon.That my friend is the reason you cannot say that Lind will pawnerd Ikki. ;D if they have a match while both being
in top shape with regelia and tuned and Lind wins i cannot deny that he won because it would be a fact and not an assumption sweety ;3 <3

It 'fits Lind's character' to cut off Ikki's dick while he's sleeping, causing him to bleed to death. Lind wins.

thats a perfect example of the element of surprise/bullshit that happens in AG

if you can assume that Lind is so top tier after 3chapters then i can assume that Ikki is able to pull off some bullshit to win because he has a history of surprising people in the AG world. He has reached the tops of the AT world in a couple of months a feat that takes years because of his talent.Whats to say in the Gap between kazu vs Ikki to now Ikki hasnt devolved some new moves?

Too bad that's irrelevant. We're not talking about some hypothetical Ikki who can pull hypothetical plot devices out of his ass for a hypothetical victory. We're talking about Ikki, as in the sum of the character named Ikki that has been shown so far. I may as well say Lind evolves some new form of the Fang Road because he's bored. All we can do is compare what we KNOW. Guess what, all we know is Ikki can break the rules. That's great. We're not talking about an AT battle, there are no rules to break, etc. etc.

I can 'assume' Lind is top tier because he easily defeated a top tier character, Vercingetorix, who is described by Oh! Great as Genesis's secret weapon, a king from birth, a genius of a Gravity Child, etc. And yet Lind carved him up like a turkey. End of discussion; whether A>B and B>C = A>C or not, those 3 chapters of fighting were indeed enough to place Lind firmly in the top tier of the Air Gear world. Not so for Ikki.

[Gimmie]

;3 the thing is you have no steady groud for you assumption because it was a span of 3chapters. Vercin has yet to be shown that he was Top tier because he was only shown for a few chapters, Also no one ever spoke about his power or skill so you have no grounds for saying how tier he is.

you cant say that its in Lind character to go around slicing ppl throats from one little encounter.But Ikki in the other he has in about every fight he has had he has pulled of bullshit.

like 50 chapters > 1-3 Chapters

Also if i remember correctly Ikki was able to score a hit on Killik who happens to be probly one of the strongest Gravity Children proving that the Element of surprise can never be looked down upon.

the only reason you say its irrelevant is because it put a big clink in you Lind>agito> Ikki idea.

[Lukannon]

;3 the thing is you have no steady groud for you assumption because it was a span of 3chapters.

You really are stupid, aren't you? The span of time is irrelevant. The only thing relevant is what is actually shown during those chapters, which is more than enough to make a judgment.

Vercin has yet to be shown that he was Top tier because he was only shown for a few chapters, Also no one ever spoke about his power or skill so you have no grounds for saying how tier he is.

I disagree entirely. Caesar alone was enough to frighten Agito out of his wits; Vercin is clearly superior to Caesar. Vercin's also capable of catching a missile, as I've repeatedly said, could destroy the tires that Agito was incapable of doing, could keep up with Agito in close-range combat, and can rupture a state of the art battle machine. Then, add that to all the statements made by Oh! G in his flavor text, which do indeed count as statements by someone. 'Nuff said. If you disagree, why don't you try actually addressing my points instead of saying "lol three chapters again?" Oh, that's right. You can't. If you tried, it means you lose the argument, so you insist on wasting my time by injecting as much bull-headed idiocy in this as possible.

you cant say that its in Lind character to go around slicing ppl throats from one little encounter.But Ikki in the other he has in about every fight he has had he has pulled of bullshit.

A) Lind's character is essentially identical to Kaito's. That's been stated. Therefore, I can indeed say it's in Lind's character to do it.

B) Ikki's fights only have bullshit in them insofar as he breaks the rules of the fight. This is a clash. Not Run, not Balloon, not Cube, not Disk. It's just a straight on fight. That's all. You don't have a leg to stand on here.

Also if i remember correctly Ikki was able to score a hit on Killik who happens to be probly one of the strongest Gravity Children proving that the Element of surprise can never be looked down upon.

Ikki? Scoring a hit against Kilik? I lol at your interpretation of the scene. Ikki got his ass whooped, and out of defiance threw his shoe in the air, then tricked Kilik into looking up and having the shoe land on him. There was no 'hit.' Why don't you reread the chapter? Oh, wait. Actually READING is too much for fangirls, I forgot.

the only reason you say its irrelevant is because it put a big clink in you Lind>agito> Ikki idea.

The only reason we're even still going over this is because you keep ignoring my arguments.

[Gimmie]

well sweety ;3 i guess you are to much of a fan girl to beleive your charcters stands any chance of losing so to arguing with you is pointless, Worse then arguing with a toddler. any argument used against you would fall flat because you have a big hard on for Lind i guess the end of the chapter with Agito in his undies really was some fan service for you ;3 well. i'm done you dont have any type of of real intelligence in your lil fangirl head. bye sweety<3

[Reflector]

well sweety ;3 i guess you are to much of a fan girl to beleive your charcters stands any chance of losing so to arguing with you is pointless, Worse then arguing with a toddler. any argument used against you would fall flat because you have a big hard on for Lind i guess the end of the chapter with Agito in his undies really was some fan service for you ;3 well. i'm done you dont have any type of of real intelligence in your lil fangirl head. bye sweety<3

... oh lord. Please tell me you're not serious. I'm sure everyone here agrees that you're the one fangirling, not Lukannon. While Lukannons statements make sense, all you've been doing is worshipping Ikki and throwing those fangirly smilies and hearts around. Face it. You just lost the game.

[rathy Aro]

well sweety ;3 i guess you are to much of a fan girl to beleive your charcters stands any chance of losing so to arguing with you is pointless, Worse then arguing with a toddler. any argument used against you would fall flat because you have a big hard on for Lind i guess the end of the chapter with Agito in his undies really was some fan service for you ;3 well. i'm done you dont have any type of of real intelligence in your lil fangirl head. bye sweety<3
I'm not quoting this to respond to it. I'm quoting it as an example of what people say when they no longer have bullshit arguments to crap into their posts.

Anyway. I'm personally saying that Ikki would probably loose. You can't argue that against the fact that there are more things going in Lind's favor than Ikki so Lind would probably win. I won't feel any shame if they did fight next chapter and Ikki won, because I said probably taking into consideration anything could and probably will happen since Ikki's the main char, but just weighing the facts Lind clearly wins. You can't insert random immeasurable factors into the question of what will probably happen.