The location of the origonal Wind Regalia...

[Ferahgo]

For some reason I think this is important. After Kilik beat the other kings, he gave the origonal Regalia to the Russian lady at Grand Slam. After her second meating with Ikki early on, she gives his a parting gift. A pair of AT wheels that look oddly like the ones that Kilik gave the lady after the fight. At that time, he told her to give them to someone who she thought was worthy. I'm looking for that manga page now, I wish I could find it. I wonder if it shows it in the anime...

[mibu]

the parting gift is the original wind regalia's core. you can say it is the original wind regalia because the core is the most important the part can built on later.

[kaider]

Yup.. the wheels that the lady gave Ikki were THE original wind regalia, i think that what they call "cores" are the wheels, cuz the whole think will havea boot :D

..The Noyamano sisters found the cores at Ikkis room when he moved out, after that i think we werent told where the wheels went, its possible that TTT took them to make the new regalia.. but im not sure enough to say where the original bagram is now

But the scene where the lady actually gave Ikki - a stranger those wheels still makes me go WTF.. i mean she never knew him, he just fell on their shop neon sign, and she gives him a thing, later to be revealed as one of the most important artefacts in the manga :D

[Wrench]

We last see the cores when Rika finds them in Ikki's room (could have been Mikan, but I'm too lazy to look). From there they are never spoken of or seen again, so we really don't know where they are. Kilik could have them again.

[Ferahgo]

Hmm, mayme Ringo will give them to Ikki someday, and ikki will save everyone from Sora or something like that...And she gave it to him because she could tell that ikki had seen the wing road.

[Kayldera]

Wait, I'm confused... So what are the wheels that Sora used against Spitfire and Aeon? Is bagram and the original wind regalia two different things?

[Unholy]

hako made the wind regalia sora is using as far as we know the original was last seen by rika in ikkis room as someone else already mentioned.

[kaider]

The one Sora is using is made by Kururu.

[masterofchakra]

Yep, the ones Sora have is the ones Kururu made. Ikki broke Hako's in his fight against Ringo. And we have no current info on where the original cores are but i don't think they are that important. Instead i think Kururu will make Ikki's regalia from scratch.

[Kayldera]

That would have been stupid to show the origina wheels if it was to discard them (and the "Welcome to nightmare" inscription was kinda cool)... I think Kururu will use them somehow, another thing I want to know is how is she going to create them without going through the full body contact type of tuning?

[penguinism]

original bagram: GONE! most likely its in SF's hands mainly kiliks
hako's: broken!
kururu's: sora has them

@kayldera: kururu never made the current wind regalia by using the originals, she made it from scratch....so why would she need them now? why would she even bother? her next goal is to make the storm regalia, not another wind

[Kayldera]

What was the point of showing the set of wheels being discovered if nobody is going to use them?

[kaider]

Hmmm.. so then didnt TTT get to at least see the originals? Cuz they needed a base to start workin with.. or they had the plans?

[kuuki]

OMG, i'm confused, i always thought that the part around the bagram has been destroyed in the fight between sora and Kilik. Then kilik took the wheels from sora and gave them too the legendary shop. The owner of the shop gave them too Ikki because he saw his special potential.
Rika found the wheels in Ikki's room and gave it to T.T.T. to restore the part around the original bagram
So the A.T. made by Kururu contained the original bagram, the core... !!!

even if i was wrong about the nature of the hako's and kururu's wind regalia, i could say :

If Kururu and Hako was able to make copy of the bagram that's because they saw the original, right ? Nike stole the copy of Kururu and Hako's was broken... SO the original bagram is still in the hand of T.T.T. ... ?

still confused :rofl:

Penguinism, you said it's gone... why ? It must be in T.T.T.'s hand.
sleeping forest has the bagram... why ?

Hope you'll understand my poor english :rofl:

[HurricaneRoad]

they still have the original bagram because the regalia that ikki used against ringo was switched.. so i think they still have.. and for the new storm regalia i think they just will modify them..

[kuuki]

Yes Ikki used hako's instead of kururu's it's well explained, but nothing say "the regalia of kururu doesn't have the original bagram inside..." (...sora and nike stole kururu's fake and not the original ? it doesn't make sense to me. They could do it with their power)

Can someone tell me where did penguinism and other guys get this information. If the O!G's goal is to confused us like that, it sucks

[kaider]

It is said that both the regalias that Hako and Kururu makde are prototypes made from the plans of the original regalia. Now i dont know if they saw the originals and used them as basis, or just had some real plans.. but its sure that what Sora has now is NOT the original bagram.. it may even be better, but not the first one :D The original is missing, probably sitting in a comfy chair near the beach on some island with a cold beer and a hot babe next to him..

[Jing2487]

It is said that both the regalias that Hako and Kururu makde are prototypes made from the plans of the original regalia. Now i dont know if they saw the originals and used them as basis, or just had some real plans.. but its sure that what Sora has now is NOT the original bagram.. it may even be better, but not the first one :D The original is missing, probably sitting in a comfy chair near the beach on some island with a cold beer and a hot babe next to him..

Kaider is right, becuase Sora even states that the one's he stole use similar parts to his original. He even said that if Ikki had gotten his hands on them then not even he could defeat Ikki. But I believe that the originals WERE FOUND by either Rika or one of the other sisters. They were in Ikki's desk and when she found them she knew exactly what they were and questioned why Ikki had them. However I dont remember exactly what chapter... and Im too lazy to go through ALL of AG.

[skytofu]

damn where do you guys get all this info from..... its pretty interesting stuff

[Lukannon]

Rika did find them, but after that, they were used by the Tool Toul To members to create the prototypes(it was analyzed, and they decided that it was too damaged to use, but they could still salvage the structure of it from what was left and create a new one).

[Matrixbang]

Sora.... then Kilik.... then Grandslam.... then Ikki.... then Rika.... then TTT

From TTT you get Haku and Kururu's copy.

The snail headed woman says that even with Kururu's obvious talent the wind regalia couldnt be reproduced without having the origional core as a blueprint.

But from Rika they get the core, Haku makes a bad copy that uses parts that are to rigid, after being used twice in the fight Ikki vs. ringo, the regalia explodes.

Nike steals the one kururu made from TTT, he then gives them to Sora who says "This wind is too good for that kid" later insinuating that if Ikki had gotten ahold of kururu's Copy, Sora would have been beaten by ikki.

So were is bagram's core now.... its still with TTT, and one of 4 things will happen,

A) We never see it again
B) They Incorporate it into the Storm Regalia
C) They Repair it
D) They make another copy.

.... so thats were it went...
Welcome to Nightmare.

[kuuki]

I agree with you, (i think that ikki wasn't using the regalia against kazu, he can use the skill of sora without the regalia, like agito did in the fight against akira. Not impossible, just difficult)

[remanzuo]

I agree with you, (i think that ikki wasn't using the regalia against kazu, he can use the skill of sora without the regalia, like agito did in the fight against akira. Not impossible, just difficult)

This is what King suppose to be,
They should master their road without regalia
but some loser need the regalia to show their ability before their master their road

[Jing2487]

This is what King suppose to be,
They should master their road without regalia
but some loser need the regalia to show their ability before their master their road

They cant master their road because regular AT's break apart after prolonged use. Thus the whole reason why Ikki is without AT's right now. After his old ones fell apart he wanted to make ones of his own.

[Reflector]

This is what King suppose to be,
They should master their road without regalia
but some loser need the regalia to show their ability before their master their road

When the rider has reached a certain level of skill, regular ATs won't be able to keep up with his skill. The whole 4:4 stuff was about the effiency of the Skill:AT relationship, wasn't it? So in order to reach the highest riding effiency, you should have ATs at the same level as your skills.

The ordinary ATs become chains that hinder the rider from reachin as high as his skills would allow. Therefor, this rider in question chooses to wield the Regalia, which allows him to reach his true potential.

If you wield the Regalia "before you master your road", you're gonna get you're ass handed over by them. It hasn't been clearly stated how, but I'd personally go for somethin like utter obliteration of muscles in your legs. :neutral:

[kaider]

Thats right, a rider must master the essence of his road in order to be able to wear the regalia. But even if he masters is - without the regalia he/she wont be able to do the flashy tricks :) as in the most flashyer ones, the ones that need only the super shoes to be made, not just any kinda shoes..

[Jing2487]

Well they may be able to do the tricks, like when Kazu showed off the fact he could "create" fire like spitfire could, but if he kept trying to do it eventually his AT's would hold him back.

[Lukannon]

The fire is a very basic trick..

[Reflector]

The fire is a very basic trick..

That's right, even Agito who doesn't give a damn about the flame road can do this. The basic fire trail is really easy, all you need to do is to create some friction wit your wheels.

[Jing2487]

Well the fire road is basically just a speed thing, while the other roads require more unique attributes but if you also look into some of the other things Kazu does in the later chapters and even Aeon who can stop time becuase of his speed, he's on the flame road. But I also dont think the flame road is really all that special cause there are a lot of riders on that road.

[Lukannon]

There are at least three riders of the Bloody Road, and two for every of the original eight Roads. To be honest, I don't think it's so much the other roads being more special as them not being so...mass-friendly. The Flame Road, before we got into weird stuff like hitting nerve centers for paralysis and time walls and such, was always just a road revolving around speed.

That's pretty simple. It's not like the Bloody Road, which is almost engineered specifically for one purpose. It's not like the Wing Road, which requires a genius and isn't something that would occur to most people. It's not like the Sonia Road, which is self-destructive and essentially limited to women.

[Jing2487]

I just thought of something that may blow our points out of the water. As far as we know there have only been four regular humans that have been able to be considered Kings (thats including Kazu even though he isnt official yet). It makes me wonder what makes a king besides skill, becuase Aeon had the skill and was even long time friends with Spitfire. But he still chose Kazu to inherit the flame regalia. What does everyone else think about this?

[Reflector]

I just thought of something that may blow our points out of the water. As far as we know there have only been four regular humans that have been able to be considered Kings (thats including Kazu even though he isnt official yet). It makes me wonder what makes a king besides skill, becuase Aeon had the skill and was even long time friends with Spitfire. But he still chose Kazu to inherit the flame regalia. What does everyone else think about this?

I have thought about this one, too. Obviously Aeon's more skilled than Kazu, no doubt. Being a King isn't apparently just about being skilled, since Aeon "just hasn't got quite what it takes to be a king". And evidently Kazu does possess this trait. Spitfire said that in order to be the flame king, you have to have a "Passion to melt all". Sounds poetic, yes, but what has it got to do with anything? Maybe something noble like you have to enjoy the riding itself, not the power that comes with it?

[Jing2487]

Ah, I love your post's Reflector. You always make me have to think. I had actually forgotten about what Spitfire had said so I think your right. Because every king so far has had some kind of passion for AT's but also their own goals, though I dont know what you could say about Sora other than he wants to have the sky regalia... But Ikki wants them so that he can be even closer to the sky.

[Reflector]

Ah, I love your post's Reflector. You always make me have to think. I had actually forgotten about what Spitfire had said so I think your right. Because every king so far has had some kind of passion for AT's but also their own goals, though I dont know what you could say about Sora other than he wants to have the sky regalia... But Ikki wants them so that he can be even closer to the sky.

You're flattering me. Im honored. :oops:

But yeah, the path to kingship is at the moment pretty much shrouded in mystery. We know for a fact, that you need to possess a high level of skill in that area (Obviously), and it seems that your motives have to be sincere and noble. Except Sora kinda lacks in that department, so... Well, maybe not, he probably sincerely wants the Sky Regalia, be it for good or bad deeds. -_-"
Then again, he was the first wind king, so maybe he got to skip the qualification stage, since he was so superior in skill.

[Lukannon]

Who says your motives have to be sincere or noble?

Agito.

Gabishi.

Nike.

Rika.

[Reflector]

Uh, when you look at it like that, it seems that there isn't any other qualificational attributes you need. Hehe, my bad. Actually, the only roads that seem to have this secondary requirement are flame, wing and sky.

Flame: Need to have Passion that melts all (Lol, Spit. Beautiful)
Wing: Genius, have to be able to see the road and interfaces.
Sky: need to be God.

So actually they are a minority. Looks like Spitfire was just a romantic at heart. Or maybe he just didn't want to give his Regalia to the homo. The guy's picky, so he gave it them to Kazu instead.

[Matrixbang]

honestly though, you all are thinking to much into it. Truthfully the only thing that is needed to be king of a road is the ability to get the regalia. Thats how it is, and if you cant defend your regalia, you lose it. Now, luckily for Kazu, Spitfire liked him as a rider and saw himself in kazu. Same with Sora and Ikki. Otherwise ikki would have taken along time to learn the secrets of the wind regalia. but in the end, the only prerequisite is being able to take the regalia from someone else.

[Jing2487]

Well take a look at Agito, even though he had the skill and he had repossed the regalia he still couldnt unleash his full potential. Thus why he was training until he dropped. It wasnt until he felt the need to protect Yayoi that he gained back the power needed. Of course he acted all macho tuff duringthe fight but the scene with the fishhead and the joke afterwards (about the dragon god in his pants wanting to make a legend...) It appears that most of the riders with Regalia want to have them for some kind of reason, except Sora. He just wants to rule over people

[jrob5303]

yall got a bit off topic dont ya think but watever. Aeon never beat spitfire so how could he take the flame regalia, second he saw alot of potential in kazu and felt he had the passion to become truely strong, stronger that spitfire himself and aeon. I dont know what happened to the orginals thought but that would suck if they never got used again. And for whoever said it first "Welcome to Nightmare" is just too cool. I think they will be incorporated into the new storm regalias.

[idohustle]

ok so here is she saying she has the orginal or what?http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/130/01/

[Lukannon]

Yes, she has the original, or rather, Tool Toul To has the original.

[idohustle]

Yes, she has the original, or rather, Tool Toul To has the original.

Thats what i was implying earlier and i got denied.