Buccha's Big Speculation Thread

[sabret00the]

Despite having the most battle experience upon joining Koga, he's now falling behind with both battle experience and ability. however all is not lost as he appears to be the reincarnation of Dontorres the original Rumble King (take that with a pinch of salt, they merely have similar physique and are both always seen with music systems).

Will Buccha be the next rumble king? Will he be given the opportunity to stay on par with Kazu, Agito and Ikki or will he fade out to become a secondary character?

[Kurokawa Shun]

In my mind Buccha is already fallen back to the ranks with ongriri. Besides the fact that he is really strong, he is even too afraid to help his friends during the battle with the old men. Is it possible for him to make a come-back, well Kazu did. So it is not too much of a impossibility.
But hell that's just me
PEACE
Shun

[Selierei]

I agree with Kurokawa Shun when he says that Buccha has fallen back to the ranks of Onigiri. They are already secondary characters. It is doubtful that either will make a comeback like Kazu did, but if either stands a chance, it would be Buccha. However, from the beginning (the fight with the Sabel Tigers, at least), one could tell that Kazu was slightly more significant (in the long run, anyways) than Buccha and much more than Onigiri. At least, that is my opinion. In order of importance, it has always gone, "Kazu, Buccha, Onigiri"...Well, importance of those three, at least. I'm leaving out all the other members, because it would detract from the point.

[JackApostrophe]

Buccha and Onigiri will both probably rise to become Kings, whether of their own Roads or inheriting the title from an existing King. That's just the way things work. They'll always be behind Ikki, Agito and Kazu, but they'll eventually get to the point where they can have a decent fight with a King level character, even if it takes them the whole of the rest of the manga.

I would say Buccha has a good chance of becoming the next Rumble King, though, yes. From what we know of it, it's a power type Road, so it's suited to him.

As for Onigiri... well, like I said he'll get up there eventually, but whether he'll stay on his Smell Road or go to something more traditional is another matter. The Smell Road isn't actually as stupid as it originally seemed, now that we've gotten a better look at some of the other Roads. It's no more stupid than using vibrations to control people or killing them with bubbles.

If you look at the rankings, there's a big difference between "King level" and the actual strongest characters. King level is something like over 75, with most Kings probably around 100. But Sora is 300, and Ikki will eventually have to get up to the same level, so it's not unreasonable for Buccha and Onigiri to hit 100 when Ikki is over three times that.

[sabret00the]

With Buccha, i think his role is underestimated. I think initially O!G built him up to be something very different to what he is and in a bid to humanise him he had to fall behind, the storyline didn't help. After all Buccha was a wall climbing expert and now everyone can do it and just as good. Spitfire emphasised his prophecy for Buccha over and over again and even during the WW's match he spoke to Buccha so i believe that Buccha is very much on O!G's mind and it's just a matter of how as opposed to when.

I believe 'sound' will be the key to Buccha's growth and now that he's able to focus himself in regards to the sounds around him and fixate himself on them he'll be formidble. However in order to chart his growth he'll need a few key things. i.e. A road, a personal goal and an enemy on the horizon in order for him to awaken.

In regards to Onigiri, if you base the rumble regalia on yoshi's design then surely that would be perfect for Onigiri's smell road? However i'm convinced that it will be reverted to it's original form. I actually can also see Yoshi giving Buccha the rumble regalia as opposed to making him win it.

[kaider]

I think Buccha will have his rise, and more focus in the future.. they all will.. I also think he will become a king eventually, which one i cant say..
By the way, do we know what road he rides? cuz im not sure if i remember seein somethin bout it.

I hope Buccha gets to have enough muscle to withstand his fathers shotgun :D
He can be a real meat-shield for the group

[sabret00the]

He has no road at present. Although O!G seems to be building the reason upto have been down to a lack of discipline.

[NoMetal]

bah I always have seen onigiri like a character made only to make people laugh and also to create some "hentai" situation. like when he's able to see through the wall of the bathroom :rofl: he will never reach the level of a king, and probably he's even not interested into doing it. probably if we will ever see a king defeated by onigiri it will be a female king that will be paralized in front of such a pervert :P

Instead I would give some points to Buccha, spitfire said that he had a chance to become powerful and I think that now spitfire is become a sort of "prophet", I would be really surprised if something said by him will be incorrect.

if we think that ikki's situation is a really special one, and probably nobody else will even have the idea of creating another road, I would put my bet on the rumble road.

also if we consider from the point of view of the author, it would be really weird that ikki kazu and aK/Gito(Lind) will be able to defeat Every other rider...
so probably he will make at least buccha become able to defeat a "usual" king easily, at least to make ikki save energies when he will fight with ringo (he will, he will :Kuu::666:).

I wouldn't bet a cent on onigiri instead, as I said, if he will win it will certainly be a coming/erotic situation were he wins mainly 'cause of luck

[JackApostrophe]

Onigiri and Buccha both said they wanted to be Kings when Ikki was named the Storm King. And they both participate in training. Onigiri wants to be strong just like the others, and there are plenty of silly or ridiculous characters and abilities in Air Gear who also manage to be strong.

[sabret00the]

I think in regards to spitfire, i think given his inferred close relationship with Dontorres, i think he just saw his old buddy in Buccha and thought what if. It's really upto Buccha to prove spitfire right and i know he can do.

Edit: Come to think of it, has anyone questioned why or how it would appear that Buccha is fully black while his father is Japanese?

[burnedalive]

I don't think we have seen his mother...and you see a lot of half asian/half black people look just one ^_^

[jmason14]

well I think he will become strong but I do not see him becoming better than the current rumble king.

[sabret00the]

With Kazu's arc finishing, you can't help but wonder if Buccha's next up to bat?

[Dark Cloud]

Kazu's arc is still not even halfway through if you ask me - he has to get his self-confidence back(if he ever had any),he has the find the whereabouts of the regalia,maybe have some training from spit's "ghost" to master some special Flame Road move and then go kick Aeon's ass with it. Or maybe the arc will end after his fight with Ikki in the next several chapters and we'll get to see if buccha and onigiri have gotten stronger.
I don't think Buccha will become King anytime soon,maybe he won't become a King at all.He just doesn't have what it takes if you ask me - he's strong,but probably not stronger than that Hammer guy from Behemoth(oh and Buccha lost his fight in those maches),he's supposed to be the wallriding expert but everyone else can wallride good enough and he doesn't really stand out (like Kazu does with his speed),and he's smart but he's not even close to the current Rumble King's level(no one is,actually,Yoshitsune's a genius after all).I don't think he'll follow his own road(Wall Road??),and there's no way Yoshitsune will give away his Regalia right now before the GST(even if he does there's no way Buccha's feet will fit into it).Buccha will get stronger,but he won't reach the level of any of the current Kings(hell,even Emily could become stronger than him)

[jmason14]

yea I dont see him as a king. but since he's on team koga every1 might get 2 be a king which would be seam 2 surreal for me..but thats just me

[Reflector]

Kazu's arc is still not even halfway through if you ask me - he has to get his self-confidence back(if he ever had any),he has the find the whereabouts of the regalia,maybe have some training from spit's "ghost" to master some special Flame Road move and then go kick Aeon's ass with it. Or maybe the arc will end after his fight with Ikki in the next several chapters and we'll get to see if buccha and onigiri have gotten stronger.
I don't think Buccha will become King anytime soon,maybe he won't become a King at all.He just doesn't have what it takes if you ask me - he's strong,but probably not stronger than that Hammer guy from Behemoth(oh and Buccha lost his fight in those maches),he's supposed to be the wallriding expert but everyone else can wallride good enough and he doesn't really stand out (like Kazu does with his speed),and he's smart but he's not even close to the current Rumble King's level(no one is,actually,Yoshitsune's a genius after all).I don't think he'll follow his own road(Wall Road??),and there's no way Yoshitsune will give away his Regalia right now before the GST(even if he does there's no way Buccha's feet will fit into it).Buccha will get stronger,but he won't reach the level of any of the current Kings(hell,even Emily could become stronger than him)

I, too, doubt that Kazu's arc ended already. It was a little too abrupt. It just ends, with no warning or signs. I think Ikki and Kazu are still going to fight for a chapter or two (heck, why not three?).

But afterwards, it would really be nice to see something from Buccha, too. But I'll have to admit, that his shown training hasn't been too impressive from an AT user point of view. Sure, it's pretty damn fantastic to be able to sit under a waterfall, but what does it really have to do with ATs? Ok, his defense is getting better, but it wasn't lack of defense that made him lose in his last major battle (Behemoth). He just couldn't touch the opponent. He should be developing new, improved attacks and offense strategies instead. Because I think he really has enough endurance as it is.

Didn't they mention something that the waterfall was mental training? He's getting in touch with his inner karma or something? Well, he could be planning some radical trick with all this philosofical training.

And Emily's badass. Never forget it :no:

[sabret00the]

The thing with Buccha is that he has no path to the top in order to develop moves which is why he'll get an arc and when he does and realises that he's on the road as the rumble king. He'll finally show people that he has got a monarch level rider within him. Right now he's a weakling because he's without a road. Ikki without the wind and Kazu without the flame would be exactly the same.

[Reflector]

Rumble Road's OK too, but I think he could start a road of his own. Really, with that muscle control and stuff, he could create a crazy, physical offense based road. Force or destruction road or something along those lines <__< I know, not very creative... Seriously, he was stated to be mostly muscle ,wasn't he? Muscle's weight > Fat's weight. He's supposed to be good at wallriding, so can you imagine the force he drops down with, after a good 5 story wallride. I can. :gasp:

Trick: Buccha 1800 wallspin to THUNDER FLOP! Dead Urgk! F=ma, right? And since O!G's really creative with his physics, he could tweak around them a little, and come up with something new.

But then again, Rumble Road's fine, too. Since the redirecting of compressed air requires strength, it would fit Buccha well.

[sabret00the]

So little is known about the rumble road thus far. Yoshi is a complete contradiction on my impressions of Dontorres and so i think that's why the rumble road is perfect for Buccha. Also Yoshi fights with his brain and that's exactly what Buccha needs to learn how to do. When going up against monsters like Genesis, no one will care about his size.

[Reflector]

So little is known about the rumble road thus far. Yoshi is a complete contradiction on my impressions of Dontorres and so i think that's why the rumble road is perfect for Buccha. Also Yoshi fights with his brain and that's exactly what Buccha needs to learn how to do. When going up against monsters like Genesis, no one will care about his size.

Buccha has been shown to possess thinking prowress above the average rider, from what I can tell. He strikes to me as some kind of guru with his noble wisdom and whatnot. He shows shows pride of riding, instead of being proud of the strength he may harness, which makes you think that there could be more coming for him. This was shown in the battle against animal house and Potemkin.

Because it's a shonen manga, and the ones with noble desires always get stronger. I can't see a very bright future for Onigiri, who never shows any special interest in being a great rider. Buccha, he has still potential to improve.

And it's worth to mention, that he seems to be in fact focusing on training his mind at the moment.

[Tirkin]

dont dis onigiri, he will use his sweat to defeat the water queen om :P

[Reflector]

^ For some reason, I just can't see Om falling for that. But you never know, anything's possible in AG.

[sabret00the]

I just think he's a good character who up until now has relied on his size and power in order to ahcieve however even faced against cannon fodder like the White Wolves, you could quickly tell the difference between being an f-class monster and a b class ameba. he can improve and he will do. Whether this is the end of the Kazu arc or not, Buccha's got next!

[jmason14]

yea but I still dun think he'll be rumble king. mostly because the GS is starting soon how's he gunna become a king of a road he doesnt ride in such a short time? plus I dun think he needs too. plus I dont think as yoshi is brains and no brawns (his kicks are super fast and he controls a team of riders who love too fight) to me the rumble road seems far away from him

[NoName]

ya i dont think hell be the rumble king, i mean thats kinda just a baseless theory, seeing as first of as mentioned before yoshi wont give up his rumble regilia before the GST, second of they never really gave any indication about him running that road or was heading in that direction, they did with kazu you know when he does the flame trick and all the time he goes super fast. Maybe hell have a ch but i dont think hell have an arc or become a king he may be a rider on par with a king and maybe he will make his own road but he wont have a existing regilia passed on to him. I think O!G created him to put a ability difference in Koga so it wouldn't become a team full of kings.

[sabret00the]

I'm not sure about that. Not to mention that Kazu won't even be a king before the Grandscale tournament starts.

[iMeh]

Buccha can just create Muscle Road, don't know how that'll work, but you don't need to be a king to be strong.

[Nikku]

Buccha can just create Muscle Road, don't know how that'll work, but you don't need to be a king to be strong.

Exactly. I don't think he'll become a king because there simply isn't enough back story for it yet.

There are plenty of riders deemed "strong" without being kings. The sisters in Sleeping Forest for example, Akira at present day and Simca. I don't think Buccha wllil pick up a specific regalia, but he'll be known as a strong rider in his own right. Perhaps a teacher of some sorts?

[sabret00the]

Gotta love this thread. A thread to talk up a rider and everyone shits on him. Fabulous.

[NoName]

hey at least hes better than ongiri ^^ with him i dont have him becoming any king lvl rider...

[jmason14]

I don't see as talking shit about him I just don't think it would make sense for him to be rumble king. I could be wrong you could be right. but you called this thread the buccha speculation thread i'm speculating.

[kuuki]

just suppositions as always :D

the home of buccha is a buddhist temple, even his name have relation with buddhism.

The purpose of the buddhism is to find The Way to escape the illusional worlds of reincarnation to become a buddha.

that waterfall training without the trunks Fall was used by monks to raise the level of concentration (many died seriously xD).

way... road... since buccha didn't found his road yet and seems to have some difficulties to find it... Maybe it's only coincidences maybe not.

buccha the king of the nirvana, eternal heaven road ! well it's going a little far... xD

[sabret00the]

I don't see as talking shit about him I just don't think it would make sense for him to be rumble king. I could be wrong you could be right. but you called this thread the buccha speculation thread i'm speculating.
Don't take the comment so seriously. I was just being facetious. It's a discussion board, everyone's entitled ot their own opinions. It was only when Kazu got the Flame regalia that people started believing he'd actually turn out to be something.

[kuuki]

I hope buccha will come with some great road and all people will say wtf. Then i'll create a gang of buccha's fan to take the power back on this forum

"bored of ikki's* threads :D

[Jakkin]

I'm figurin' that buccha will just wind up being a big fat piece of pig-waste, that will be excreted out of Kuu, where he will resurface as a plant.

In all probability Buccha is likely just to become a drone and serve no purpose, unless O!G figures out that people are whining enough, so he makes Buccha some 5-star pimp, like Ikki, Kazu, Agito, etc. and until then I'll just have to keep viewing these threads, hoping that someone comes up with a better possible character developement idea than becoming king. Which I doubt will happen seeing how most people view this as Rider -> Better Rider -> Find Road -> King -> Gravity Child.

Which in itself is lame.

[jmason14]

Yea I guess your right buccha doesnt need to be a king or have a road to be able to beat sf/gen. You just need to be a friggin monster which he is.

[sabret00the]

Yea I guess your right buccha doesnt need to be a king or have a road to be able to beat sf/gen. You just need to be a friggin monster which he is.
Yeah right. Fighting without a road is the act of an f-class rider.

[killerpapag]

lol buccha king of the tank road is more like it

[Nikku]

Gotta love this thread. A thread to talk up a rider and everyone shits on him. Fabulous.

Your really not understanding our posts. We're trying to explain that even without a regalia or kingship, he can still be a worthy, interesting rider/character. I think it's useful to have a contrast between riders in Koga, not just "the all star King team" as Jakkin was saying.

Emily, Onigiri and Buccha give this comparison. They've all had their moments in the manga and build the team clique really nicely. Buccha will specialise as a strength and defensive rider I think and that in itself makes him unique.

[kuuki]

It's because you are a monster rider that you become a King, it's just a word that says "you're the best in your way of doing things (the road)".
Kogarasumaru needs the best riders team to rape sora team right ?

I didn't read all the posts, if someone talked about buccha being a gc
-_-...

kazu is still far behind ikki and agito...

"In all probability Buccha is likely just to become a drone and serve no purpose" You are wrong. He has been useful in the start when ikki didn't know anything about A.T..

"In all probability" it 's just a speculation, don't be so full of yourself ^^

I see what you want to say when you talk about "the contrast between riders in Koga" but i have some doubt about normal riders being able to climb the tower.

[killerpapag]

ikki i believe is still a fair way behind agito, cause he doesnt have as much experience, i reckon with more experience both kazu and ikki could surpase agito

buccha though has a lot of experience and is good yes but not nearly as good as agito,ikki or kazu.

[sabret00the]

Your really not understanding our posts. We're trying to explain that even without a regalia or kingship, he can still be a worthy, interesting rider/character. I think it's useful to have a contrast between riders in Koga, not just "the all star King team" as Jakkin was saying.

Emily, Onigiri and Buccha give this comparison. They've all had their moments in the manga and build the team clique really nicely. Buccha will specialise as a strength and defensive rider I think and that in itself makes him unique.
To be fair, while i was being facecious in my previous post, your post is bullshit. Buccha can be a great character but he can't be as strong as Ikki and half the AT world because it's better for the story that way?! Bullshit, you're shitting on him. He can specialise in strength and defense. What strength is there in AT outside of monarch? So he'll be riding along, Ikki will shoot a pile tornado at him and he'll start doing weights? Or are you suggesting he quickly errects a fort and says "you're not coming in?" you're either a king level rider or you don't matter and you're saying he doesn't matter. Which is fair, you're entitled to your opinion but please don't try and polish bullshit.

[Jakkin]

To be fair, while i was being facecious in my previous post, your post is bullshit. Buccha can be a great character but he can't be as strong as Ikki and half the AT world because it's better for the story that way?! Bullshit, you're shitting on him. He can specialise in strength and defense. What strength is there in AT outside of monarch? So he'll be riding along, Ikki will shoot a pile tornado at him and he'll start doing weights? Or are you suggesting he quickly errects a fort and says "you're not coming in?" you're either a king level rider or you don't matter and you're saying he doesn't matter. Which is fair, you're entitled to your opinion but please don't try and polish bullshit.

Lulz. *slaps the little boy with a plastic woman's toy* Lulz.

Listen little boy, the word is spelt, 'facetious', don't you big words you can't spell. Also, other misspellings 'specialize' and 'erects'.

Obviously you haven't considered the possibility that, there could be something stronger than a king, in the AT world, just because you have the title of king, does not mean that you are the pimp of the pimp on that road, what "KING" means is that at the moment no one has bitch-slapped you into you're place. And from one standpoint, O!G could easily make a character that was stronger than any of the kings, but yet the character has no interest in seizing the title.

As to be relevant to this discussion, if Buccha were to remain such a character, it would be interesting in his aspect of the manga, because it would defy from the stupid logic of 'king = best.' Because let us not forget, that each of these character does have a side to the story, but the manga atypically focuses on Ikki rather than the rest of the gang.

Also... if anyone is to be accused of polishing a pile of shit, it would be you. Please go do something else, you're in the presence of greater beings, and we are considerate enough to let you walk away now, before we really get going.

[sabret00the]

Lulz. *slaps the little boy with a plastic woman's toy* Lulz.

Listen little boy, the word is spelt, 'facetious', don't you big words you can't spell. Also, other misspellings 'specialize' and 'erects'.

Obviously you haven't considered the possibility that, there could be something stronger than a king, in the AT world, just because you have the title of king, does not mean that you are the pimp of the pimp on that road, what "KING" means is that at the moment no one has bitch-slapped you into you're place. And from one standpoint, O!G could easily make a character that was stronger than any of the kings, but yet the character has no interest in seizing the title.

As to be relevant to this discussion, if Buccha were to remain such a character, it would be interesting in his aspect of the manga, because it would defy from the stupid logic of 'king = best.' Because let us not forget, that each of these character does have a side to the story, but the manga atypically focuses on Ikki rather than the rest of the gang.

Also... if anyone is to be accused of polishing a pile of shit, it would be you. Please go do something else, you're in the presence of greater beings, and we are considerate enough to let you walk away now, before we really get going.
You're right, i misspelled facetious. Fucking hell man, my whole argument is totally undermined by one misspelling. Course my fucking lamearse memory. Damn you to death.

In regards to Air Gear, King is the highest level of rider right now. Whether weak king or super strong king, it's still King. Don't shoot the messenger. Oh!G made it that way.

And King != Beast. Ringo = Weakling*. Om = Weakling*. Spitfire = Weakling*.

* When compared with the likes of current Sora, Nike and current Ikki.

In regards to your last paragraph. Oh do forgive me my lord and master. Should i have realised your balls were bigger than mine at an earlier date, i surely wouldn't have posted in response to the idiocy in this thread.

[kuuki]

In the chapter where Ikki got his name of storm king, (169 i think), Buccha screamed how it was awesome and didn't say something like "'don't care, i'm not interested in king stuff"

He'll definitively try to find his road etc...

this manga is all about that.

you can argue about my english.
i don't care since i'm not english ^^.

[Lukannon]

don't you big words you can't spell.

I would argue that it's just a little bit better than using little words completely inappropriately, but it's your call.

Obviously you haven't considered the possibility that, there could be something stronger than a king, in the AT world, just because you have the title of king, does not mean that you are the pimp of the pimp on that road, what "KING" means is that at the moment no one has bitch-slapped you into you're place.

Paragraph length run-on with improper comma placement. Also, 'bitch-slapped you into you are place?' Does this make any sense whatsoever?

As to be relevant to this discussion, if Buccha were to remain such a character, it would be interesting in his aspect of the manga, because it would defy from the stupid logic of 'king = best.'

I didn't know that the action 'to defy' could stem from "the stupid logic of 'king = best.'"

Because let us not forget, that each of these character does have a side to the story, but the manga atypically focuses on Ikki rather than the rest of the gang.

Is that so? I must be reading the manga wrong then, I thought it focused more on Ikki.

Don't use big words you don't understand.

Also... if anyone is to be accused of polishing a pile of shit, it would be you. Please go do something else, you're in the presence of greater beings, and we are considerate enough to let you walk away now, before we really get going.

My, my. Quite impressive, Jakkin. I didn't know you were so great that you're worth more than one person.

Pile of shit =/= bullshit, btw.

Don't get me wrong, please. I personally don't care how many mistakes you make as long as it's readable. On the other hand, given the circumstances, I'd hesitate to stroke my e-peen as freely as you do.

Oh, and to be relevant, I do agree with Jakkin in a way, despite what it might seem. Buccha doesn't need to be a king to be a valuable character. For a long time now, he hasn't been the team's muscle. Does that mean he can climb Trophaeum without becoming one? Not alone, no, but as part of the team, he can definitely still serve some use. Even with the new power balance, the only real reason he has to become a king is so fans can stop raging over how he's become relatively weak.

[sabret00the]

In the chapter where Ikki got his name of storm king, (169 i think), Buccha screamed how it was awesome and didn't say something like "'don't care, i'm not interested in king stuff"

He'll definitively try to find his road etc...

this manga is all about that.

you can argue about my english.
i don't care since i'm not english ^^.
No what he said was that he wanted a name like that too.

Oh, and to be relevant, I do agree with Jakkin in a way, despite what it might seem. Buccha doesn't need to be a king to be a valuable character. For a long time now, he hasn't been the team's muscle. Does that mean he can climb Trophaeum without becoming one? Not alone, no, but as part of the team, he can definitely still serve some use. Even with the new power balance, the only real reason he has to become a king is so fans can stop raging over how he's become relatively weak.

I think that's pretty much everything that forebodes his requirement to be a king. He was initially the only one that can ride walls, now everyone can do that and it's considered a basic skill. Bar that he's never really offered anything to Koga. Him being fleshed out as a character is important and to say that despite fleshing him out, he can't aim for the top of one of the heavenly roads is a bit ludicrous to me. But this is ultimately something which no matter how much debating we do, only the author can decide.

[DeadEnd]

I would argue that it's just a little bit better than using little words completely inappropriately, but it's your call.


Don't use big words you don't understand.


...Meanwhile, you can lay off as your description of what he wrote incorrectly is not what you accused him of. He left out a word i.e. "use". You should probably stop calling each other out on sheer bullshit things or I'll report it as spam. Mind your manners, both of you.

Anyway. Moving away from the annoyance of bickerings...

Buccha I think is a great example of today's individual. Not everyone will grow up knowing what they'll become. Not everyone finds their dream and lives it. I think Buccha will never find his own road. Even the more moderate riders like Benkei and whomever else is on the lower end of the higher ups have their designated roads. Hell, Gorgon apparently said she was the next in line for Gaia yet she displayed absolutely NO attributes of the road (as far as I could see. That can be debated and probably will...) There are plenty of others that have no designated roads either: Gotetsu Bulls' leader, Rezaboa Dogs' leader, Hexacon Bomb, and Cyclops. All of them established riders and none of them have their "own" road. I think Buccha is set to be a background character. He had his moment to shine in the first opening chapters / books and that was it. Now he's just part of the side show just like Onigiri... *shrug* I have yet to be convinced they'll do something great. I guess I just have to wait. xD.

[Lukannon]

...Meanwhile, you can lay off as your description of what he wrote incorrectly is not what you accused him of. He left out a word i.e. "use".

It's 'don't use big words you can't spell' versus, according to you, 'don't you use big words you can't spell.' Take it as you will. And putting aside the accuracy of your summation, I'd think you're overlooking something that's rather more distressing...unless I'm laboring under a delusion as to what this board is like.

Now that I've said that, gogo spam report, I guess.

I think that's pretty much everything that forebodes his requirement to be a king. He was initially the only one that can ride walls, now everyone can do that and it's considered a basic skill. Bar that he's never really offered anything to Koga. Him being fleshed out as a character is important and to say that despite fleshing him out, he can't aim for the top of one of the heavenly roads is a bit ludicrous to me. But this is ultimately something which no matter how much debating we do, only the author can decide.

Wall-riding was always really a basic skill...the difference is that Ikki's group never really mastered that in the first place. Remember that even as late as the Kyoto arc, Ikki STILL didn't know how to run properly.

I'd hesitate to say he never contributed anything to Koga. The victory pose's balance would be totally off without that big slab of dark flesh in the back~

Okay, seriously though, I think he did provide a nice foil to Ikki's attitude during the little bit about Potemkin. He's always been sort of a voice of reason anyway. I agree with DeadEnd, not every rider needs a road...and Buccha's still sort of coming into his own in the new power balance. Remember him musing and stuff during the White Wolves' arc? It's a bit early to say nothing came of that and his training.

[jrob5303]

not to say that he is going to be rumble king or anything but when he first appeared him and his goonies had on those head phones and there was a little rappin going on just like Dontores (or however you spell his name) is a rapper. So i believe he might be following that road but i dont know. I believe that also once the current rumble king is beat that he actually might give up his regalia to help koga beat Sora and Genesis. Mainly because he actually helped ikki and the rest of them train and he doesnt actually like genesis. But I still dont really like the road of bucca following the rumble road not with the current regalia but i do hope they give him a little more power so that he is able to help koga more in the future battles.

[windwaker]

I just wanted to throw my two cents in so here it is:

I dont really care if buccha becomes the rumble king or not, since i know a lot of people are speculating on that.

But i think if he became a rider based solely on brute strength and resiliency(sp?) it would be awesome.

Like if he became such a tank that he could just shrug shit off. We already saw in his training he was becoming immovable and training his endurance. But imagine if he progessed that to the level where he could just shrug off attacks, even road attacks like fangs and tornados and shit, and just keep going till the opponent gets tired and slows up so he can just beat the hell out of them. And keep in mind the term "road attacks" excludes Regalia attacks.

[Foolworm]

Well, Buccha will eventually need to be classified somehow. Power rider simply doesn't cut the mustard when all the best people have special techniques and tricks - he will eventually have to subscribe to a style. Specialization is (to me) clearly the way to go; there's a limit to stats-boosting.

I just want Buccha to get Cannonballer tank-track ATs, and for Onigiri to get a ball-bearing helmet. Their ATs right now look and 'feel' unsatisfying - I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

[windwaker]

He is specialized, in strength and wallriding.

I disagree that theres a limit to stat boosting. If you're strong enough to tank all the opponents attacks, then eventually you will win. I think it would be cool if he didnt have any fancy tricks and could still compete with A rank/king level riders.

What are cannonballer ATs?

[Foolworm]

Problem is, wallriding is a technique, not a style. How many times is Buccha going to knock out an opponent by wallriding? Also, specializing in strength is basically stat-boosting in power, as far as far as I'm concerned.

Don't get me wrong, I actually prefer what you say as far as Buccha not adopting a style is concerned. I'm just saying that he is most likely to do given the settings of Air Gear: You don't have a style, you're fodder.

http://www.mv.sorascans.com/index.php?manga_title=Air%20Gear&chapter_number=211&page_number=003&extension=png

Those are Cannon Ball ATs. If Buccha customizes them to look like tank treads, he'd look a beast - and scale walls vertically.

Oh, and Onigiri's AT needs built in gyroscopes, hehe.

[windwaker]

A thousand times yes to Buccha having treaded up cannonball ATs, that would be so fucking epic.

and yea wallriding is pretty much something that everyone can do, and its not a very battle oriented skill.

that and i think OG dropped it when he realized how lame it is for someone to specialize in Wall riding lol

What kind of style do you think buccha should go with? besides over road?

[Lukannon]

Aaaaah...

I just realized....

aaaaah...

In the battle in Inorganic Net...

Before it starts...

Falco says "I added up our team's battle level, and it's something like this..."

The number is 45,735 D:

[windwaker]

umm thats interesting, and funny...but a little off topic dont ya think?

[Lukannon]

Uh, yeah, sorry about that...

Was reading the chapter posted here, kept going on a whim, ran into that, blahblahblah.

Back on-topic, I agree that Buccha doesn't need any special road to remain competitive, but I really doubt he's going to get strong enough to ride on an even level with the kings. It worked to an extent against Hecatoncheire. It's not going to work against even Ringo.

[Foolworm]

What kind of style do you think buccha should go with? besides over road?

Lather road.

Hilarity aside, that's the million dollar question: None of the roads really fit Buccha to a thumb. He's mainly a close-quarters combat kind of person, which none of roads utilize, so it makes him hard to classify. To me, Rumble road is kinda shoehorning it; Buccha rides on walls of air; he doesn't create them.

Given OG's wildly creative implementation of physics, if you define styles in terms of wind (since that seems to be a premise of Air Gear),

Ikki would be a wing (generating lift) ,
Kazu a needle (speed + low profile),
Agito a shuriken (cutting),
Onigiri a spinning top (crazy balance and stability),
and Buccha a cannon shell (momentum + impact).

Personally, I would choose Gem Road. Buccha could actually use his Wall-riding skills and gravity to pound opponents from above (the impact comes from hitting the ground). The image of a tank goes better in context of Gem than with Rumble too, since Tanks don't have jets.

Mind you, this is a pretty hard sell; I'm looking at this simply from Buccha's style as a rider in comparison to the rest of Kogarasumaru. To be honest, I think Buccha is a square peg in a world of round holes.

I really wish OG elaborated a bit more on the other AT sports rather than parts war; Cannon-ball, pro sports, that kind of thing. It would really make for a more complete experience of ATs for the reader; they really are super-efficient motorized rollerblades. As such, their uses, and the styles of their users could be so much more than the acrobatic tricks and pseudo-RPG special attacks that Air Gear has been parading out thus far. It's for this reason that I'm hyped for the GS tournament: Particularly some of the teams shown in 211, some of which -SHOCK!!- actually appear to hail from other AT-related sports.

Ya, I'm off-topic now, so I'll cram it. But that's my 2 cents on the subject.

[Reflector]

Sorry to tread even deeper to off-topic, but this time I just have to:

Falco says "I added up our team's battle level, and it's something like this..."

The number is 45,735 D:

That's just... yeah. Are those the same powerlevels we're used to? I mean come on, 45,735 divided by seven is approximately... 6,533. So the average riding level of a OSF member is OVER 6000?! Ikki's around 80 and Buccha's 64...

Hoo, boy. Great going there, O!G. Seem's like Sora has become a senile old fart with his pathetic 300.

This is sounding more and more like a DBZ argument, isn't it?

[Roshi]

Sorry to tread even deeper to off-topic, but this time I just have to:


That's just... yeah. Are those the same powerlevels we're used to? I mean come on, 45,735 divided by seven is approximately... 6,533. So the average riding level of a OSF member is OVER 6000?! Ikki's around 80 and Buccha's 64...

Hoo, boy. Great going there, O!G. Seem's like Sora has become a senile old fart with his pathetic 300.

This is sounding more and more like a DBZ argument, isn't it?
Maybe he's using the same scale that the Principal was using to calculate betting statistics. I'm still not quite sure how that works since it seemed like the better team have higher numbers, which is weird for betting purposes.

Anyway, if Buccha had to follow an existing road, I believe that it would have to be the same road as Dontores, which I assume is the Over Road but I don't think that it has been said explicitly. After all, Nike is on the Jade road and Kilik is on the Gaea Road, but they are/were both Gem Kings.

If Buccha creates his own road... I think that it's kind of similar to the Sonia Road, meaning that he can manipulate his body in a similar way to Ringo. Where she gains flexibility, he gains strength. He basically blood dopes - instead of creating Nitrogen bubbles in his joints, he raises the oxygen content to his muscles. I'd call it the Vertical Road (cause that'd be a wall, right?).

[GravityZero]

Yeah right. Fighting without a road is the act of an f-class rider.

I kinda disagree. Highway Circus (my new fave team, cannonball riding ftw) are A-class not because of a road but a riding style... even though Buccha says early on every rider has a road, since we're only counting named road, we can make a list of A-classes without named roads.
The team that Agito decimated.
The four saints of Behemoth, excluding Aeon/Gorgon (... i refuse to believe a Gem Road user could be THAT weak).
Benkei
Ceasar? (he never mentions a road)
Orca? (how the hell is Om the Water Queen when this guy's power is much higher? No way they both ride Lather Road or he'd have pwned her for the damned regalia... not to say his own ATs aren't impressive)
Gram Scale Tournament contenders? (most seem like "style" riders instead of "road" abusers.

Can't wait to see Cannonball v. Flame Road... even though we all know who'll win... Plot Road sucks

[Roshi]

I kinda disagree. Highway Circus (my new fave team, cannonball riding ftw) are A-class not because of a road but a riding style...How do you know this? We've only seen 1 page in the entire manga with Highway Circus on it... It's completely possible that they run on the flame road, or a different road. If one of them ever became King of the Flame Road, they would simply have to move the Flame Regalia's core into a cannonballer style AT.

even though Buccha says early on every rider has a road, since we're only counting named road, we can make a list of A-classes without named roads.
The team that Agito decimated.You're right... Every rider has a road. I just wish I knew what road Buccha was on.

The four saints of Behemoth, excluding Aeon/Gorgon (... i refuse to believe a Gem Road user could be THAT weak).Just because she is taking her first steps on the Gaea/Jade road, doesn't mean that she's not riding on it. Besides she wasn't that weak, against Buccha or Kazu she probably would've won.

Gram Scale Tournament contenders? (most seem like "style" riders instead of "road" abusers.Again, we've only seen them for 1-2 pages each... Not enough time to know their roads.

[GravityZero]

I was really saying "Not having a road doesn't mean you're weak, because we've seen strong riders without them." <_< About Gorgon x Gaia Road, I know she was on it, I just can't accept it in my soul... because that would mean, in some deeply twisted logic, since Gaia Road > All and Smell Road > Gaia Road, Onigiri could potentially take down the entirety of Genisis in ONE. FELL. SWOOP.

{/kidding}

But seriously. Why didn't see ever see her use it... unless that tattoo "turning people into stone" was in practice the same as paralyzing ppl with the regalia... which would suck...

[Roshi]

<_< About Gorgon x Gaia Road, I know she was on it, I just can't accept it in my soul... lol...

But seriously. Why didn't see ever see her use it... unless that tattoo "turning people into stone" was in practice the same as paralyzing ppl with the regalia... which would suck...Yes, it does kind of suck. But it's still the truth.

[Lukannon]

But it's still the truth.

According to who?

[Roshi]

According to who?
me

...and http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/161/008/

"Same path as the Gem"... the path sounds road-like to me.

[Foolworm]

Orca? (how the hell is Om the Water Queen when this guy's power is much higher? No way they both ride Lather Road or he'd have pwned her for the damned regalia... not to say his own ATs aren't impressive)

Well, don't look at the title, look at the road. The Lather Road has its applications in bubbles and fluid pressure, Orca actually runs in water. It's kinda like the difference in Horned King and Fang King: Same principle, different applications, no? If it were me, Orca's road would be the 'Hydro Road'.

How do you know this? We've only seen 1 page in the entire manga with Highway Circus on it... It's completely possible that they run on the flame road, or a different road. If one of them ever became King of the Flame Road, they would simply have to move the Flame Regalia's core into a cannonballer style AT.

Actually, I was wondering about this: does the concept of Parts War and such apply to other AT-sports in general? Of course, teams from such sports are welcome (aka Highway Circus), but is the reverse true? For example, if... say something like the Rumble Regalia got into AT pro sports (like what Joanna is doing), wouldn't it completely change the nature of the game?

My reasoning is that Parts War is the ultimate illegal AT sport, which is why these overpowered characters exist and run freely. If Parts War was allowed to become official, then the rules would be tightened to the extent that such characters would have to, by necessity, disappear.

By the same reasoning, I would conclude that roads are unique to Parts War, since their primary purpose is for combat. There would be no need for combat in official sports, at least not any that would require anything close to the brutality that the roads offer. Read Chapter 34 if you don't get waht I'm talking about, by the way.

Therefore, Highway Circus would not be be part of any road. But wouldn't it be cool to say, see a deployed MSD Bagram on one of those Cannonball ATs? They'd look like real drag racers then.

Every rider has a road. I just wish I knew what road Buccha was on.

Each rider may have their own road, but they must first have their own run. To me, the roads ultimately are secondary to the runs of the characters - I mean, in the end, the roads are simply to facilitate the ability to run, no? That's why I think Buccha's road is irrelevant; it's enough that he rides ATs, and with his own unique style, or 'run'. Ditto for Onigiri and Emily.

[Lukannon]

me

...and http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/161/008/

"Same path as the Gem"... the path sounds road-like to me.

No, what I'm questioning is why you believe Gorgon's tattoos are what qualify her as a runner on the 'path of the Gem.'

[iMeh]

Sorry to go off topic here, but what does "cannonball" mean in AG?

[Roshi]

No, what I'm questioning is why you believe Gorgon's tattoos are what qualify her as a runner on the 'path of the Gem.'

Because we've never seen her do anything else.

[GravityZero]

Sorry to go off topic here, but what does "cannonball" mean in AG?

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/34/14/
the panel at the bottom explains about team types:

Stoic - Skill junkies
Zokky - Fight junkies
Cannon Ball - Speed junkies
NHA - Pro hockey junkies
NFA - Pro frisbee/football junkies
Airobics - Exercise junkies
Just for fun - Y SOZ SERIUS???

Notice how some of those tie in to Parts War:

Dash - Cannon Ball
Hurdle - ?
Cube - Zokky
Air - ?
Disc - Pro sports
Balloon - All, since you need the skill balance

Parts Wars seemingly correlate to team types.

[Lukannon]

Because we've never seen her do anything else.

Irrelevant. I'm not even going to bother going into the flaws of this line of reasoning.

[sabret00the]

http://www.onemanga.com/Air_Gear/34/14/
the panel at the bottom explains about team types:

Stoic - Skill junkies
Zokky - Fight junkies
Cannon Ball - Speed junkies
NHA - Pro hockey junkies
NFA - Pro frisbee/football junkies
Airobics - Exercise junkies
Just for fun - Y SOZ SERIUS???

Notice how some of those tie in to Parts War:

Dash - Cannon Ball
Hurdle - ?
Cube - Zokky
Air - ?
Disc - Pro sports
Balloon - All, since you need the skill balance

Parts Wars seemingly correlate to team types.
Oh! Great proving once again that he's a better writer than we all give him credit for.

[Carnevil]

Oh! Great proving once again that he's a better writer than we all give him credit for.

How's that prove OG is a better writer?

[rathy Aro]

No, what I'm questioning is why you believe Gorgon's tattoos are what qualify her as a runner on the 'path of the Gem.'

They paralyze the opponent much like the gem regalia did. And Roshi's logic isn't too off. When she was in a fight her tattoos were her main weapon and usually riders use abilities off of their road to fight (almost always if they have a road). Unless she discovered the gaia road after that fight with Onigiri I'd say the tattoos are her means of using the path of the Gem.

[sabret00the]

How's that prove OG is a better writer?
It proves he's a better writer than you give him credit for at the very least. He's managing to maintain the story and link back to himself on things that he mentioned nearly 200 chapters ago.

[sabret00the]

No, what I'm questioning is why you believe Gorgon's tattoos are what qualify her as a runner on the 'path of the Gem.'
let's not forget that this conversation was pretty much covered in the Emily thread: 4927