Ridin Air Trek

[DragonTiger]

I've got one question.

If there would appear something like Air Trek. will you buy it and ride it.

Well. I found rumors that in Japan they are making something like AT and also some group of otaku too.

It's not like it is impossible, there are parts but too big, heavy and if small it's too weak and you will ride it only for few minutes.

Anyway. I've said question and I want to know your answer.

[DragonTiger]

You'd be surprised. I found some guys who were against it but I think they've got private problems

[Selierei]

Hm...I'd probably wait to see the customer reviews to see if they're any good, and if they were then I'd wait for there to be a sale or for the price to drop. Otherwise, no. If I have to die to ride AT, then I say to hell with it. XD But I'll vote yes, since I assume it means 'if they ATs were safe'...Well, at least safe to the point that they don't just fall apart when you're just doing a normal run. XD

[iroppoi]

it would be awesome if they were made, but when you think about it, having a entire motor inside a single wheel is kinda out of this world, and the fact of making light as feathers is kinda hard to

but if they have anything similar to AT's i would run to the store and buy them, but most likely be in the hundreds if you want a pair

[kaider]

They have motors inside wheels for bikes and cars now.. so i guess it wouldnt take them too long to make them inside skates :D
Id buy one for sure - it will solve my "lazy to move" problems, and yet be small in size..

O!G should pattent his work :D

[NoMetal]

hi, this is my first message cause I usually don't have time to post into forums, but I think that this is the time to show up ^^

in fact making AT is possible but, like everything, it will take time and research (and this means money, a lot of money) to create them.

Surely they won't use an internal combustion engine, because the power of this kind of motors depends directly on their Cylinder capacity, so you would have to carry a motor like the ones you could see in small city cars, and it's too big.
it would be not so comfortable and only people like buccha would be able to use ATs :sarcastic:

but with an electric engine, things changes and a lot, cause some electric motors that are small but powerful (not so powerful but enough imho) already exist, and we would just have to put them inside the wheels of an AT

the problem is that, apart from the engine itself, there's other things that we have to consider.

1. the wheels of our skates are usually a compact piece of plastic, but in fact ATs would need to have their engine in the wheel, so we would have to create a wheel that is at the same time empty inside, durable, and it should have a more than decent grip, so at least something like real cars wheels should be good but of course we should modify them a lot >_>
also some electronical parts would need to be miniaturised to fit into an AT...

2. engines needs energy, and this will never change, so if you want to wear ATs that are able to run for more than a few minutes, be prepared to have a backpack with batteries on you. at least if we want to think about a solution for "professional" AT skating I would suggest small batteries that would be spread across the body inside a special suit.
But clearly it's not so easy as it can seem also because we should consider about the weight, because if the engine will make you run faster, your legs are the ones that have to make you stand, and also the one that have to make you bend... (as said before, we not want that only people like buccha would be able to wear ATs...)

3. speed. well this is more a philosophic problem, cause surely when ATs will be created a lot of people will state that they are not sure. >_>
so for the beginning at least, forgot about doing wallride even for a few seconds (don't even think about climbing buildings though, you'll never be able to do that) and to ride faster than a car (apart if the car is stuck in traffic :D), but in the end, even if probably they will ask you to have an "AT driving licence" to wear faster ones, I don't think that people will complain so much, cause in some sports like riding motorbikes, or skiing you can go MUCH faster than a car and without having much protection.

4. jumps, the jump lenght will be increased but forgot about jumping higher, you could do an higher jump wearing ATs and using a ramp but if you were able to go at an height of 100 meters when you'll fall it will be exactly like falling from a building, ATs will NEVER make your falling slower, at least not before they have invented a levitating machine...

So probably making ATs is possible, but at the beginning they will just be some shoes that will make you run at 50 km/h if you are skilled enough to reach that speed... prolly they will "usually" make you run at 30 km/h...
(imho it's not so bad ^^)

if you want to go faster, buy a motorbike...

[kaider]

A good point there..

I guess a theoretical real life AT's best offer is the abilty to self proppel..
But bear in mind that technology progresses very fast, a real life at wouldnt make you fly, but it will be able to absorb a decent fall from lets say 10 m (assuming the air cussion is good) :D
And in terms of speed - im sure if somethin like this was invented, it would reach the speeds of a normal car without much problem, cuz motors can be made powerfull... but it wont top more than 70 km/h

So overall.. its a nice concept, that IS possible given the techno progress we have now. Id say.. another 10 yrs and it can be pretty real if they try to make it

[Raenef]

in any case, Aeon Clock's AT type will be the best in casual sense.

[kaider]

Now those ARE impossible to make.. Were talkin nano-tech here :D
How can such balls be able to move on their own, have a battery to give enough power, and fit in a normal lookin shoe - magic?

[burnedalive]

Who WOULDN'T want to ride AT's!?!?! We could make them if we wanted to, but no one has done it yet because there is no profit in making them...yet. The parts required would cost thousands of dollars to get and put together per pair and not many people would buy AT's for 15k :/

[Raenef]

imagine the salary the tuners would get...*drools..*

[Selierei]

imagine the salary the tuners would get...*drools..*
Would the tuners get extra for stripping and tuning the thing to the person? XD Even if (I think >.>) it is only for Regalias...

[Sasaun]

basically all vehicals, cars, trucks, and bikes lose 90% of their kinetic energy(dependent on speed of course). so a system to reharvest the lost energy would be helpful if not necessary. also, if a gear system similar to the one da vinci designed or ones like the new ball bearing systems that are appearing on high end bikes were used then it would eliminate the need for a complex gear box. this would save space and basically kill any kind of clutch mechanism(how would you activate a clutch anyway, you toes?) so even if you somehow managed to salvage our braking energy heat dissipation would play a big role in draining your battery. so thats just some thoughts. as for regalias, hahaha

[HurricaneRoad]

i think i would wait a bit to buy it, so that all the problems on em were solved..

[kaider]

Well duh! You wouldnt want any beta versions :D
Tho id be happy to test early prototypes

..for a reasonable pay of course :D or a free set when its completed, cuz prototype testing can be dangerous

[mad333]

i think there will be no one that acually doesnt want to ride those things

[Riyuuchu]

Except those old grumpy people that hates everyone else

"You Crazy kids Get off My roof!" *shakes Cane*

[escarta69]

i mean come on who wouldnt we are all fans of air gear here

[aquielleoz]

i mean come on who wouldnt we are all fans of air gear here

exactly!

but aside from this polls one-sided-ness...

If there were ATs, would we, the fans of Air Gear, proceed to creating teams and Parts Wars? That would really complicate simple AT riding =.=

[burnedalive]

Of course! ^^ thats my dream anyways :P

[Sasaun]

if you could make real ATs though, noone wouldnt want to ride them, of course some people would be more advantaged than others and would be better at it(think skateboarding) but i doubt teams would fight each other in a parts wars, thats really just a plot driver

[aquielleoz]

~plot driver~

Aren't our lives just big stories we decided to write by living them? Each one is the main character of their story. Or something like that ^^'

[JimmyTbh]

Damn if I new this poll was so 1 sided I would have voted against air trek :)

I do think adding motorized engines would be a bit dangerous and I could see it getting banned, But I still desire a two wheeled pair of inline skates with skullz and nite light. Or a pair of gold AT with wings on the side :D

[kaider]

Actually i think there already are some inline skates with motors on them.. they look ugly and huge, but its a fact :D
I dont think it will get banned, but itll have some restrictions.. umm, arent all of the storm riders in the AG world riding ATs illegally, they remove the skates internal locks so they can overclock it..

[p4091a]

lolz. im the only who voted no. XD
I mean, I'd watch ppl ride ATs, but me riding? Nah. I can't even roller blade~ >.<

[kaider]

You're a brave little soldier.. But the elders won't approve of this action, i can already hear the crowds screaming "Traitor!!!"...
*goes for the shovel*

[Nikku]

Yeah...this thread has no contest. Even if you didn't ride them, i think most people would buy a pair xD

[DragonTiger]

as said, there are skates with motors but are very ugly and nowhere near to look like AT. Well. AG is from near future if you think about it. Riding AT for several years like in AG (Ringo and others). AT are question of technology and nowadays technology is advancing really fast so I beleave that in several years there will be AT or something like that.

About poll. I know that there are a lot of fans of AT and AG but I talked about it on differents chats and with my friends explaining what AT are. Some of them were excited and the other would like only watch but not to try because of posibility of serious injury and something like that.

Even if Poll is one sided I've give at least two option to choose from. If you think anything better for poll, just write it. not having options is worse than death cause you don't have freedom to choose.

[aquielleoz]

include these options:

yes, buy it but not ride it
no, interested but I have my reasons not to do so

[sazo]

i wouldnt b able to afford it , if air treck existed then they would b like $3000 and no way i would b able to afford that, i dont even have a job and only get $10 a week

[aquielleoz]

i wouldnt b able to afford it , if air treck existed then they would b like $3000 and no way i would b able to afford that, i dont even have a job and only get $10 a week

but what if you could afford? >.<

[Chamillion]

Hahahahah. only one person said no. it would be awesome, we could even see up girls skirts while they are skating.

[Selierei]

I might not have voted No, but in reality, I get the feeling I'd say, "Screw it, I'm not buying/riding those things." ...>.>...Yeah...Oh, well. I can't take my vote back now. XD

[UchihaCelis]

it would really depend on the money, ill definitly want one but i dont wanna have to spend years of my life saving up money to get them.

[Sasaun]

well, some people would get them but they would be very hardcore. i mean riding would be a huge investment

[Chamillion]

yeah money would be a big influence on whether people would get it or not.

[Wrench]

I think yes, something like Air Treks will be possible in the future. It's only a matter of time until technology progresses far enough to make it a reality. Or basically, until nano-tubes are cheap to make. :D

[mitchello_man]

i probably couldnt afford to buy them but i would want them so bad, i dont care if i get hurt doing it id still want them. also at the moment they might not be possible but in a few years, with the way technology is progressing, we will have the tech needed to make them. and i cant wait for the day the do become reality.:)

[sazo]

if air trecks did exist or something like them they wouldnt b all that great because they would only b able to go like 20 or 30mph without falling on your ass, quote from another site "it would litteraly be like pushing a sky scraper at 340mph" and if your pushing yourselfand the skates are pushing you your force would be stronger than the skates so there is no point in the skates having engines in them because like before i stated , you will fall on your ass,

[HurricaneRoad]

but if u learned to master the skates at high speedes it would be a really cool hobby to have.. :D

[Sasaun]

assuming that you would have the leg strenght to get to high speeds. haha better start doing some squats

[nue56]

You'd be surprised. I found some guys who were against it but I think they've got private problems

no offense but they must be really stupid or really causious becuz they may be a little dangerous but they would be really really fun and u could go almost anwhere :D

[Chamillion]

Going fast is not as big aproblem compared to going up walls.

[aquielleoz]

assuming that you would have the leg strenght to get to high speeds. haha better start doing some squats

leg strength isn't highly necessary for speed. Remember the part when Yosh¡tsune pulled down Ikki's pants? What gave Ikki speed wasn't his leg strength, but it was rather by shifting his weight.

[Wrench]

Most of the tricks would never be possible. Like going up walls. We can't defy gravity, nor wind resistance. Would would have to somehow lie flat against the wall so that your weight doesn't pull you down straight onto your head. Now you could jump from wall to wall to scale them, since you already can do that, same with corners.

[aquielleoz]

who knows?

maybe you could have wheels with good traction + motorized skates for scaling walls.

[mitchello_man]

due to gravity there is no way you can ride along a wall horizontally coz Mr. gravity wants you to come to the ground and gravity will win. sadly. but like Wrench said jumping from wall to wall would work, but either way it will be a fair bit of excercise especially if you do something crazy like riding walls!! also riding AT will not always send your feet over your head in a comical fashion, just lean the hell forward!:)

[Fay]

If there were A-Ts, yeah I would ride them. But if something like in Air Gear happens, parts' wars, wouldn't it be dangerous? It's not falling I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of something in Agito's case that would happen lol

In a matter of years, I'm sure they will find a way to make all these a reality, though I am a little doubtful of how the world's scientists will be able to find a way to defy gravity.

[DragonTiger]

well. riding walls is one problem. if i remember correctly, they must do some trick to do wallride and not go straigh up. for jump and landing there should be cushion system. not only allow you to do or help to do high jump but also hepl to land so means decrease your fall speed. I think most effective it'd be one moment before you landed. about High speed and leg force and engines. engines helps you to get in high speed and also move you in low speed when you aren't running. AT should work like this according to manga. stronger force put agaist surface - faster you go but also style is needed. like in manga when Ikki's pants were down. he looks like more if he was skiing and with help of AT engines so why not be faster this way.

[sazo]

even if we did create A-Ts like they were in the manga the power source isnt there we couldnt ride it unless we had a power source small enough , what would we use? dark matter? def not a battery that isnt insanely expensive

[Skarpile]

Of course I'll buy it!

If I can afford it. I bet it's expensive. In this kind of real life, there will be a need of the batteries, mini LCD projectors for the "special [background] effects", etc. And don't for get the tiny fans at the back of the wheel for the windy effect! (Hey, just keeping it real.)

[Selierei]

What about those Read chips in the back? And the program needed to read them? >.> They'd probably be easier to manage than the other issues...Basically like those barcode readers in stores. <.<

[Koji]

I wish they did exist. Me and my friend was talking about it the other day. I'd fly through the sky and ride through the streets. and I agree with Reaper-Itachi about those who wouldn't.

[Ninja-Kai]

Hells Yeah.

I would ride the f**king hell out of them.

[kaider]

I know im too lazy to ride AT.. but they would save me the trouble of walking.. and gettin out of places ive climbed (i dont like climbing down ladders so i usually jump) :D

[nue56]

~plot driver~

Aren't our lives just big stories we decided to write by living them? Each one is the main character of their story. Or something like that ^^'

thats some deep stuff right there

[seekeranime]

Actually... In my opinion, if AT is really exist... it would become a better tool in industry sector only... I guess it wont be any chance for normal people to ride it as a sport...

[~Kururuu]

of course i'll buy it!!
traffic problem are solve...
polution problem are solve...
oil price are ricing!!!

[Ninja-Kai]

The creation of the AT means the creation of self moving Cars...No more need for Fossile fuels. And perhaps even cheaper cars...No need for an expensive engine.

Think of the dozens of Energy changes that will occur.

[kaider]

Umm.. those cars exist now - theyre powered by electricity :D
ATs have really nothing to do with cars. Its like comparing our present time skates with carriages :D

[HurricaneRoad]

or a present motor boat with a roing boat..xD

[NoName]

wasnt that the point though in airgear when lind came out they talked how air trek was also built to use energy more effieciently or something like that. so in a way itd be like no more use for fossil fuels.

[HurricaneRoad]

in the manga AT was originally built for military porpuse.. and they raised special children (thats now called GC)... because they had special abillities, to become more powerfull then anyother

[kaider]

*cough* They.. made special children :D And i dunno if its a right memory, but i remember somethin about ATs being made to help astronauts move in space, hence the whole 0g chamber... Tho i wonder how the hell spinning wheels will help you move in space.. in the chamber they may be effectice since theres air around.

[~Kururuu]

*cough* They.. made special children :D And i dunno if its a right memory, but i remember somethin about ATs being made to help astronauts move in space, hence the whole 0g chamber... Tho i wonder how the hell spinning wheels will help you move in space.. in the chamber they may be effectice since theres air around.

that was kururu's word...
but Agito said it wasn't built to made people move in zero gravity...

[play3r]

I would buy these if they came out. I can understand all the people that say they wouldn't have the money to buy them, etc. But I mean to the people who are like they would be dangerous, no one would force you to go fast on them, if anything they would just be easier/faster than walking. I remember reading somewhere that in AG, ATs cost $1,000 which I think is actually a reasonable price. Heck people spend more money on gas in a year then how much ATs would cost.

To the people that say it isn't possible for them to make ATs. Think back to how big computers used to be less then 20 years ago, look at how small they are now. Technology is always advancing, I bet 5-8 years from now we will have the technology for making ATs.

The person that said you will fall down going faster then 20-30 mph, go skate down a hill, or ski, if you crouch down and lean forward you would probably have no problem.

People talking about gravity, we have been defying gravity for years. You can't skate up a vertical wall? Ever heard of a half pipe? Obviously you would have to already have moment and have the right angle,(you can't just run straight into the wall and expect to go up it) but it would be no problem going up a wall.

I don't know if the parts war would happen, but I know ATs would become a big sport. I think different teams would form, and compete against each other. Also I think gangs would use them, would imagine ATs would be very nice for robbing stores. Meaning that there would be fights over areas involving ATs.

I would think they would install some type of spring system to ATs, if they intended for people to jump from building to building. The spring would all people to "jump" and also would help the impact from falling(pogo stick sorta). Only thing I would see wrong with the spring idea is if you fall and the spring compresses when it expands again you are going to be flying once more. Unless there was some sort of lock that would allow it to compress and not expand that you could turn on and off.

Any ways thats just my thoughts on ATs, I think people would be foolish not to have them. Would beat walking, if they could go 40-50 mph they would be better then driving a car in town.

[Jing2487]

If they did make AT's (which would be really cool dont get me wrong), they would probably only make them to go about 20 maybe 30mph. Its probably even posssible to have a motor small enough already that could put out that kind of power. The only downside is, you wouldnt be able to "fly" unless well... you went right off a cliff or something. Mainly because it would be difficult to not only have a working motor that could stand high usage, but also have one that wouldnt need daily mantainence (sp? I suck at it). Like if you jumped off a two story building the AT's would most likely break or at the very least be worn down. Not too mention that with a high jump puts strain on the body. But man it would be awesome to perform tricks on AT's

[HurricaneRoad]

yea and if it did get invented i dont think it would run faster either because of safety reasons..

[mad333]

if i get one even in my dreams i wont remove it from my foot. i will sleep with it and even got to toilet with it.

[Shinyuki]

O,o.. uhm ... i vote for yes .. but i know that i would kiss the bottom at full tilt with them .. yup... xD
uhhm.. my physics mark is the next best but im too fat for riding air trecks .. -.-...xD