Abortion?

[krompt]

This is a mature debate and should be treated as such, what are your opinions on this matter, are you Pro-coice or against it all together?

[Seijuro]

I do not believe in taking a human life. So I would not opt for my wife/girlfriend to ever have abortion. Personally i think you should just carry on have the baby if you dont want it put it up for adoption. But there are circumstances under which the mother within reason should be able to make the choice of abortion. For women who are raped. Or for teens too young that the could not handle a pregnancy. Also for those teens who it may well ruin their life. Though if it came down to either legalizing and abortion or not. I would probably still vote now.

[Yumemi]

it depends of the circumstances, thats what i think but im not really against it.

[Parina]

for teens who get pregnant inadvertently, it's the right option i think.
i mean, they have nothing, they don't know much about life yet and that kid will suffer cause the mother/ parents can't offer them much.
isn't it strange for a kid to get a kid?!
i think everybody should get their education first, then work and then they can get as much kids as they like :D

as for adults, i dunno.
i'm not against it but i think if they didn't want a kid they should think about protecting first <.<

[Satralis]

since im not religius i cant see certain parts of the problem...but as for an individual im definitely for it, since its better to end it before it gets too bad...it may sound cruel but the fact that an early born baby wouldnt ruin just the parents but her/hes own life too...if possible to give it to another party who are desperately seeking a cahnce to make a family but cant make it themself than its ok, but to give birth to someone who will get into an orphanage thats not the best idea...
And i also saw several cases in the news when the unawaited child was foolishly killed by the mother herself (or attempted to) and thats way more crueler than to end it in time...

[meanlilkitty]

I actually did a documentary on the March for Life (a pro life rally) in Wash DC several years ago for a school project. Before that, I was pro choice, for many of the reasons described above, i.e. a child growing up unwanted in a bad environment. After actually researching it and seeing all the photos of aborted fetuses, I quickly changed my views. It's been scientifically proven that a human fetus has a consciousness at two weeks after conception, there's actually some kind of thought process going on there. Even if it's not much, and it's in the early developmental stages, there's still brain activity going on. Even if you're not a religious person, that still proves that that's a living thinking being in there. And like I said, all those photos I saw of the torn limbs and such were really disturbing, they were all ripped apart.

As far as women being raped, there is the morning after pill. I can understand not wanting to have the child of a man who violated you in such a way, so that's a good option for that. As for teen/unwanted pregnancies, there are preventative measures that can very easily be taken. It's just a matter of being responsible enough to think ahead and know that your not ready for a baby. Of course there are times where even if you use protection something gets through, but there's always adoption too. To me, it's just kind of sad that we live in a world where you can go out and do whatever without taking responsibility for it. You can just go out and do whatever with whoever and not worry about it. What really bothers me is those who go out and have multiple abortions like it's no big thing.

I would never think less of any one who has had an abortion, accidents do happen and sometime it does make sense for that person. I had an older friend once who already had two kids and was on birth control when she got pregnant, they couldn't afford another kid, so she did what she thought was best, I supportive. Yeah, I don't agree with it, but I'm not one to try to force my opinions on others either though.

So yeah, that's my thoughts, :D

[Satralis]

well basically the idea is the same right? i mean the human is a human even before he/she borns...thats true...but. After u die there is still some brain functioning too, for a while, and that cant be called life. It is scientificly proven that a human being recognises him/herself as a part of the world or as an individual around the age of 1.5-2... dont misunderstand im not saying that killing them after birth is not murder (nothing is further from me) but the fact that the evolving nerve system of the embrio shows sign of activity is not that big of a surprise...
And about the fetuses... i dont think that anything connected with the inner parts of humans would suit ur sight. i mean there is no such a thing as beutiful operation, nice looking liver and such. The human body is disgusting from the inside and its nothing special either...i will have to study it from september anyways.

[playsafe]

Yes, your answers are logical and everything... but you forgot one crucial factor in abortion. THE PREGNANCY PAIN. Men (like me) will probably not know the feeling of your skin being opened 10 cms and ripped even further by the baby's head. It is the pain that daunts most women to abortion. So please consider to feelings of the women for THEY are the ones harboring the child. Not us, men.
Not to mention the morning sickness, stress, and even mild depression after the child is born.
9 months... Thank God for women.

[meanlilkitty]

well basically the idea is the same right? i mean the human is a human even before he/she borns...thats true...but. After u die there is still some brain functioning too, for a while, and that cant be called life. It is scientificly proven that a human being recognises him/herself as a part of the world or as an individual around the age of 1.5-2... dont misunderstand im not saying that killing them after birth is not murder (nothing is further from me) but the fact that the evolving nerve system of the embrio shows sign of activity is not that big of a surprise...
And about the fetuses... i dont think that anything connected with the inner parts of humans would suit ur sight. i mean there is no such a thing as beutiful operation, nice looking liver and such. The human body is disgusting from the inside and its nothing special either...i will have to study it from september anyways.

Yeah, I can see that, as far as the brain functioning and stuff goes. I mean, there really is no way to know exactly what's going on there, but if there is a nervous system isn't there feeling? To some degree anyway. Even a person after death, I think it's still life, just a life fading away. That's where you kinda start to get into religion to though, with the soul and all that. Whether or not you believe in that sort of stuff. It's tricky, because no one really knows the answer. All we can do is come up with our own conclusions and wait until we die to find out if we were right or wrong. As far as the insides of a person go, yeah, not so pretty.

Yeah, a child might not have a grasp on the idea of being a part of a bigger world, but it's all part of the learning process. You know what you've lived, what you've experienced, so without any experiences you don't really know much.

The actual act of being pregnant might not the funnest experience for some, and the process of birthing a child is a tad bit painful, but the female body is made for it. We have natural chemicals in our bodies that pretty much make us forget the pain (I can't think of what they're called), otherwise women would never have more than one child. The human race would die off because women would refuse to have kids. Besides, they have really good drugs out there now that make it so you don't feel a thing. As soon as you see that adorable little face you wanna have another...until they start to cry.

That's just my opinion, and like I said, I'd never condemn anyone for choosing the opposite of what I believe. That's kind of where my beliefs on the matter and my views on letting each person live there life as they choose conflict, because I am pro life, but would never push my views on someone else. I personally believe it's murder, but I'm not gonna go and say that to someone who just had an abortion. To me, that would almost be worse. I have no right to judge any one because of what they believe. Even if I believe I'm right, it's not necessarily right for anyone else. There's always two sides to everything. I have no problem giving my opinion, but I love listening to others too. It's how knowledge is spread and shared. :D

AND, I haven't actually read anything on it myself, just talked to someone who had, but apparently in Japan they're researching male pregnancy.

[Setsuna]

Over the course of the history of abortion, induced abortion has been the source of considerable debate, controversy, and activism. An individual's position on the complex ethical, moral, philosophical, biological, and legal issues is often related to his or her value system. Opinions of abortion may be best described as being a combination of beliefs on its morality, and beliefs on the responsibility, ethical scope, and proper extent of governmental authorities in public policy. Religious ethics also has an influence upon both personal opinion and the greater debate over abortion (see religion and abortion).

Abortion debates, especially pertaining to abortion laws, are often spearheaded by advocacy groups belonging to one of two camps. In the United States, most often those in favor of legal prohibition of abortion describe themselves as pro-life while those against legal restrictions on abortion describe themselves as pro-choice. Both are used to indicate the central principles in arguments for and against abortion: "Is the fetus a human being with a fundamental right to life?" for pro-life advocates, and, for those who are pro-choice, "Does a woman have the right to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy?"

In both public and private debate, arguments presented in favor of or against abortion focus on either the moral permissibility of an induced abortion, or justification of laws permitting or restricting abortion. Arguments on morality and legality tend to collide and combine, complicating the issue at hand.

Debate also focuses on whether the pregnant woman should have to notify and/or have the consent of others in distinct cases: a minor, her parents; a legally-married or common-law wife, her husband; or a pregnant woman, the biological father. In a 2003 Gallup poll in the United States, 79% of male and 67% of female respondents were in favor of spousal notification; overall support was 72% with 26% opposed.[88]

Supported with 72% of the people. That's a lot. Anyone want to comment on this?

[HappyStealer]

this is one of those sensitive issues which I believe is based on morals and beliefs. In all honesty, I'm not sure where I would stand on this issue. Sometimes I think its wrong, sometimes I feel there are circumstances. In a way, being a male myself, I would not know how females can deal with this choice because I am a male and cannot become pregnant. I'm gonna go with the neutral approach and not take pro-life or pro-choice, however far I can get with that.

[Setsuna]

Yeah, I intend to remain neutral in every kind of way. Things like this tend to get too far. Besides, the mother has every right to choose for herself. I'm not saying abortion is the right thing to do, but it is at least, better than making the baby suffer from a disease like Down Syndrome. Other than getting pregnant by being raped or sexually abused, mothers care so much for their babies that they don't want to see them suffer from diseases. I heard of a story in a book, where slavery was still intact. The slaves had to auction away their children, and there was one woman who killed her baby so that it would not suffer. She did it because she cared, not because she refused to take care of it. Not that she had any other choice though.

[HappyStealer]

Yeah, I intend to remain neutral in every kind of way. Things like this tend to get too far. Besides, the mother has every right to choose for herself. I'm not saying abortion is the right thing to do, but it is at least, better than making the baby suffer from a disease like Down Syndrome. Other than getting pregnant by being raped or sexually abused, mothers care so much for their babies that they don't want to see them suffer from diseases. I heard of a story in a book, where slavery was still intact. The slaves had to auction away their children, and there was one woman who killed her baby so that it would not suffer. She did it because she cared, not because she refused to take care of it. Not that she had any other choice though.


yeah that is my main thing. There are always if's and in the end, it comes down to beliefs and morals. Personally, its the mother's choice whether they are pro-life or pro-choice.

[Aeonsky]

No, pro-life.

[chrollo]

im going with what the supreme court says
im ok with pro choice as long as its the woman choosing and not the father or the family

and u never know if that kid is gonna be a genius or a serial killer but im betting their are some people who shouldnt be allowed to breed in the first place

[Soladrin]

well, im totaly ok with abortion, offcourse a new child means a new life, but i can ruin a few lives too if it is unwanted (including its own) so i think its a better option to have 1 life less, then 3 (i know this sounds kinda cruel, sorry)

[Aeonsky]

I just have this to say:

You do not have a right to end someone's life. Just because its inconvenient for you, you shouldn't play God. In most states, if you bring a baby to a fire department and say you don't want him/her, they will take him/her with no questions asked. Also, there many other adopting services. There are thousands of people waiting to adopt kids in USA.

Not to mention the brutality of the procedure.

Killing to show that you care... I just can not understand this simple sentence. Killing is antihuman, it denies humanity. If you are going to reject humanity and all ethics surrounding it, you are not human and do not deserve to be a part of humanity. And this all goes back to religion once again, which I'm not going to continue into (for those who are religious, for example Christians: think of basic Christian values).

I also want to say that I appreciate everyone's input, and it has shown me different facets of such a topic I never seen before.

[Nie]

I believe abortion is murder no matter what. There are other options. Many good people who can't have children and would gladly love and care for a child. If you made a mistake own up to it. Don't take it out on an innocent.

[chrollo]

well what about women who were raped
and what about people who want to have a baby but there will be complications endanger the mother's life
i dont think u should have to sacrifice your life to bring a baby into the world its just not right to bring a child into the world with the burden of them knowing their birth is why they don't have a biological mother its not fair to anybody

[p4091a]

I don't know if this sounds harsh or something, but I'm definitely pro-choice. (DEFINITELY)

Its sad when you find that your parents don't want you, and that they just view you as a burden. Also, do realise that this debate encompasses not just developed countries where there are good, honest people willing to adopt, and there are running orphanages.

Unexpected pregnancies can happen in places where its simply not suitable for a unwanted child to grow up. In places where there is no trustworthy place to drop off the baby. In places where the child may be sold off. So on and so forth.

And then there are places where if abortion is not an option, the baby is born, yes, but simply to be killed hours later and body buried, parent refusing to acknowledge the baby's existence.

Of course this is not the case where I live, but still, I don't like the idea of giving birth to a life i can't/don't want to take care of. Plus abortion helps keep the population down.

That said, have the abortion EARLY. don't wait until the last couple of months to do it.

I guess its all about preception, mainly whether or not you view the zygote/foetus in the mother's womb as a life. (I prefer to called it a parasite, but then, aren't we all? :))

[Nie]

Good points zet. But i am refering to those who willingly go out and sleep with people and don't own up to the consiquinces. It is different if rape or complications are involved. Me personally could never do it. Even if it endangered my life, i would choose their life over mine.... I know they would be cared for and that hopefully they will use my sacrifice to better the world. Same with rape, i would have the child but i would put it up for adoption, i will not be the murder of an innocent, even if it was not my choice to have that child.

[UnseenDeath]

I have a strong oppion about this issue only because ti had to deal with it very closely with something that hppened (no i didnt get an abortion if thats wat ur think) Basically i understand how people think that it is the killing of a human life and that even if it is an embro or in the developing stages it is still a human life. I understand how that is imporant. Yet, I do believe that is is the women's chose if she wants to have it or not. If the child is a product of a rape, her would be born with the mother uderly destesting it. No matter what the child does the idea that some one forced it upon the mother will never make the same emotions of normal children. and if the mother cant honestly give it the same as a normal child or the bare minimum then i dont think that a child should suffer through that. I also believe that if the mother is a teenager and can not provide the life that is nessicary for the child to grow up. I mean dishing the child to their parents while they continue school. making ends meat just to provide the physical nesscities for the child. never seeing it never teaching it anything. I honestly believe if the mother can not provide the life style that si suitable for a child then the child should not have to suffer for the rest of its life in bad or less than livable conditions. That and I think that most people agree with for medical reasons. I dont see why people would not agree to that.

any ways those are my oppion like them or not they are mine.

[saniya]

i think they should be allowed to a an extent tht we are not doing this for fun and keep being careless..we all make mistakes but we should learn from them once your mentally prepared and have the financial backup to keep the kid then i dun think there would be a need for abortion.

[ohmurderr]

Abortion? I don't see what the big issue is about. In my opinion, the government, the church, the family, no-one should be allowed to tell a woman whether she can, or cannot abort. It is entirely up to the woman, and her partner if necessary, if she wants to abort or not. No-one else can have a say or any influence whatsoever in that decision. Rape, sluttiness, disease, whatever the reason. You cannot tell someone that she can't abort because it is taking a life, or because the foetus would still be God's creation, as it would still be imposing your beliefs on her. The law cannot take into account every possible situation either. The range of personal principles and beliefs are more extensive than the sky, and all beliefs must be respected. Abortion all boils down to the question, can the woman bear the burden of her decision to abort her unborn child? Not if it will take a life or not. If the abortion will endanger the mother's life, that is still not an excuse to take away the final say from the mother. It is between the mother and her doctors. If she decides to ahead with it even if it would cost her her life, that is her issue. Abortion is a very personal decision, and should be left as such. Of course, abortion should be done according to the set guidelines. Illegal abortion clinics cannot be tolerated.

[HurricaneRoad]

it think adoption is a very good think in some ways because when the parrents of the child sees that they doesnt have the resources to give the child a good life they choose to adopt it way because they maybe thinks that it this way can get an good life.. but on the other side i think some people just are irresponsible because they have to think of their actions and have to live with it and not just send the child away..

[Reaper]

This is a subject where you can say whatever you like when it's not happening to you.

I'm personally glad that there is an option for abortion because I believe that every child in the world should be brought into the world being wanted by both of their parents and not one day being told "we should have used contraception/ you are a mistake".

On the other hand, abortion is emotionally wrecking experience to just even think about since it like killing your own child, doesn't really matter when you think life begins at conception or at birth. You are killing a potential life that is part of you.

I don't really know if I would or could cope with having abortion until I'm actually in that position to choose.
I personally wouldn't ever want to ever be in that position...giving birth scare the crap outta me. erghhh

I lol'd
"You're only a burst condom" was a nice line when I was younger

[Reaper]

I did that at a house party once, little fuckers are pretty damn durable all considered xD

[burnedalive]

:pirate: You want to kill your baby, then kill it. That's my stance. Better to do it before they see the world than after.

[Reaper]

which means people are lying when they say their condoms splits...

they either blatanly rub oil/vaseline on it or they didn't use one...

then again its only 98% effective. lol

Trust the lady guys, she obviously knows her sheet

[Wolf]

I sell enough condoms and Plan-B to cross-eyed teenagers and skanks(who pay me in groaty $1 bills) to make me wonder what if they were even more retarded than they already are. In cases of incest and rape you prophlyaxis that thing until levonorgestrel comes out the girl's ears. Although I am morally against abortions I also believe we should not force our morality onto others. It is inevitably their decision.

[Usha]

I think that no one can decide for other people if they want to have an abortion or not... still I've seen a lot of cases and well I totally despise this people that just don't use anticonceptives and then go ooops I'm pregnant.... Ok, are you stupid? I think life is the most preciated thing (even if I despise humans over the rest of living beings xD) so in case you're completely unable to rise that child, is the result of a rape... I think is ok. (someone said incest... dude, if it's rape ok... if it's willingly incest you have the same problem again not using anticonceptivs..... (not talking about the incest part ¬¬) ).
Still me myself would only have an abortion in case of rape, probably. Cause I can't think of killing a life and less of my own blood

[Karin]

Oiy! No reviving old as hell threads -_-

[Jakkin]

Hmm. Abortion you say.


I say that I am for it but not as a general escape route for those too lazy to go out and buy condoms. If you're going to roam about and slip your dick into anything, you better be using a condom. If by some chance you end up getting somebody preggers while using a condom, then I can think abortion might be okay as a matter of course, after I don't think the idea of young people (25 and under) having kids is a good idea. Certainly not any of these teeny-boppers having fucking kids, god I wish abortion rates would increase just from those fuckers alone. Stupid damn little shitfucks that are too hyped up on hormones in High School and want to fuck like rabbits. Fucking Velociraptor Jesus~!

I forget who the comedian is, but he made the point that you need to have a test of some sort in order to have kids. Now in the result that such people fail that test, they should just be shipped off to the clinic for a little poke-poke-dead-fetus-action. The number of young parents is stupid as hell these days... Those kids that have kids are just going to further fuck up this already fucked over country.

In general i think abortions are a situational matter.


--Because We Want To Revive Old Threads.

[DNM]

No to abortion, god will hate you. He will send you to the bowels of hell, which i can tell you is not a a nice place to be in. Glory to god in the highest and peace to his people on earth.