Animal Abuse

[aznkangaroo3]

The number one topic that has been floating in my head is animal abuse. People state that we should not be concerned about animal abuse, and that we should be concerned about human abuse around the world. For years I have been animal abuse, I want to get involve and stop it. But when I look back, I find myself a villain of animal abuse. I eat meat even though it is inhumane and ignore the fact that millions of animals are killed or abuse each year.

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[Satralis]

Well imo animal abuse is not about eating meat... since its a natural thing to do... our bodies require the energy gained from it so theres no problem with that. Also notice that these animals are born and grown with the help of humans so the actual wild population is not decreasing...
The real problem is the scientific and cosmetic researches that are using animals as "guinie pigs" for their products thus not only taking their life but torturing them in the process with various effects...countless animals will be sacrificed for a new eye or skin cleaning fluid, and thats a major problem i think.
As for medics i dont wanna offend anyone but i think if its for the counter measures to AIDS or cancer its another thing...

[playsafe]

I agree with Sat. Eating is not a problem, unless you hunted a wild animal for it. I would rather eat farm bred animals meant for human consumption.
I think people don't really think it is much of a problem because they don't know the seriousness of animal abuse.
Animal Abuse can also mean abusing pets and shelters... Well i didn't really think animal furring wasn't bad until i saw a video on how they got furred. I think people need to see it visually to understand how horrible animal abuse is.

[aznkangaroo3]

I know eating meat isn't directing abusing animals, but as I continue to eat meat, I feel as if I am helping the demand for meat increase. And as the demand increase, more and more animals are killed each year. Yeah... bunnies are used as "guinea pigs" for make-up products ><. I find that very cruel, as well as for the monkeys and rats for medical purposes.

[Satralis]

well torturing pets and other animals are also very brutal and is also againts the law, and i would also mention animal fight...i mean i saw a documentum film where they anger the animals to fight each other and there was two horses that kicked each pother..it was terrifiing and sad at the same time.

[krompt]

I know eating meat isn't directing abusing animals, but as I continue to eat meat, I feel as if I am helping the demand for meat increase. And as the demand increase, more and more animals are killed each year. Yeah... bunnies are used as "guinea pigs" for make-up products ><. I find that very cruel, as well as for the monkeys and rats for medical purposes.

Well i don't think it would be fair to deprive the world of meat. Would you call predetory nature, and the food chain animal abuse. I am against animal abuse but i am just trying to show you where others are coming from when they say they are pro-meat.
Also i believe that using animals as "guinea pigs" is wrong and should be stopped, it's not like the animals benefit at all in those kind of situations.

[Seijuro]

if your concerned with the treatment of animal who are bred to slaughter dont buy them. You can be free range chicken and cows. My parents by a side of cow every year. it provides enough meat for the entire winter. Not to offend anyone but treating animals poorly can never be justifyed. if i step on my dogs foot it yelps. That proves it feels the pain. I doubt anyone here would abuse their pets but the real question is do you believe its okay to have other animals mistreated that you dont have an emotional connection with? Do feel okay wiht yourself if you eat beef even when you know the animals live in tiny little pens barely bigger than the animals themselves? The animals dont know any different life so do they really feel sad living in cages. I was going somewhere with this and i kind of forgot where.

[Satralis]

i kinda get where u wanted to go....basically its the fact that eventhough they have a life that was possible because of humans, do the humans have the right to treat them and slaughter them just for that reason?(i think that was the question that came out)... well the fact is basically still not changing. I eat because i have to... and there are theories that plants are living things too so even they are to be respected. Conclusion: eat only the fruit that already fell from the tree (no its not from the film)... but that would be like u eat almost nothing...

[aznkangaroo3]

I have a theory that if we all adapt to vegetation now, the next generations will adapt as well :o

[Satralis]

well thats a bit too ideal... do u adjust to all of ur parents ideas? if they say they never never went to a trash place like the cinema (just an egs.) u too will never go?

[aznkangaroo3]

Haha you got me there :rolleyes:

[playsafe]

not eating meat is going against evolution, believe or not. We were meant to be omnivores and not eating meat is depriving us of our essential means of life. (We can live without it, so it's not really essential i guess)

[Seijuro]

what i really find strange is people or are vegetarian because of the mistreatment of animals yet they will still eat fish.

[playsafe]

Of course. I guess we all hate plants because we still eat them with no remorse. Even thought they're alive.

[megami_yume]

in my opinion:
Animal abuse should not be related to someone's diet since it's only natural for us to eat meat (a good source of protein). [unless if that "meat" isn't seafood, poultry or cattle]. we're part of the food chain after all. even animals eat other animals.

But if we're talking about cruelty to animals, that's a different issue.
animals should not be abused for the same reason we shouldn't abuse another person.

[playsafe]

It does involve the eating if it was hunted in the wild... I have no problems with farmed animals made for our usage.

[midorika]

It's not an abuse to eat meat. Definitely not. It's the system. The animals understand their roles, so do the plants. There's justice in this world. We being the smart animals can control our lifestyle, and being vegeterian or not is something that we choose. Every living things fulfilled their roles and responsibilities at each of their own trophic level. It doesn't matter. We will be decomposed anyway after we are dead. And some of the bacterias did help with the growth of plant isn't it. I would say it is up to an individual, they can choose to inject chlorophyll into themselves and feed on sunlight, no matter. We always have multiple choices. Who knows in the future, there'll be a new breed of humans that live off sunlight. Nevermind my fantasies...

But yeah, we should definitely not abuse those animals, physically. Kicking them, punching them, hurting them... I would do the same to that very person if I find out who that is...

[Katsuomori]

Animals are living things... and for some killing some quickly and painlessly for the purpose for food is not wrong... but we too must have a limit to how much we have to kill.

Abusing is painful as it includes beating and torturing an animal (especially if it's a dog) who did no wrong. This is obviously something bad and I'm sure that if you all are still asking whether abusing an animal is bad... is the same as whether you don't know how to differenciate what is bad and what is good. In other words... ignorant.

As for now, laws are implimented to animals. As anyone who abuses animals (that includes not feeding their pets for a long time and ignorant about their well care being) will be punished by fine or by imprisonmant. If the animal (like dogs) would harm a human and that human beats it till it's weakened. The charges will go either to the owner (for bad management and control over their pets- irresponsible owner) or to the animal (Stray dogs that attacked without a reason whcih rarely happened because they only attacked when they feel treatened. Punishment will be implied depending on the charges.)

[Soladrin]

this is an easy topic for me, i think the world should be pro meat eating, since its the most natural thing to do, along with breathing. Yes animals are raised in bad quality in lot, and this should be improved, but saying that the animals are sad because of it is bull****, they dont know any better. No one take this personal or w/e but i myself cant stand vegitarians (the moral ones, the ones who do it because they dont like the taste, or the thought of it being a dead animal are OK with me though) but i mean come one, saying dont eat meat because its bad for animals is like saying, Stop the carnivorous animals, they are being bad against animals. And if you say, but those are also animals, then i want you to think for a moment, because, simply speaking, we are animals too, just animals with a higher intelect, and (a certain amount of) control over their instincts. I've always been Pro-survival of the fittest :rolleyes:

Also, i still think that the law is to light on animal abusers though (with this i mean Physical abuse or neglect) people let animals starve, just because they can, or are to lazy to feed them just diserve to same fate IMO.

[Langosta]

Don't kill my buddies, guys. :(

[aznkangaroo3]

What's messed up is that people value the lives of certain animals over others. I see meat-lovers that find eating dogs or cats inhumane. PS, haven't eaten meat for two days. My mom agreed on buying tofu for a while.

[Soladrin]

nothing messed up about that, i myself probably wouldnt eat dog or cat meat, because we have a cat and a dog, its just not a good thought for when your eating.

[aznkangaroo3]

So what you are saying is cats and dogs are more valuable than cows or pigs.... :mad: You are just proving my point. It is very messed up, people are just eating animals that don't fit along with our society because they are not cute and cuddly as cats and dogs...

[midorika]

Nothing very messed up... just that people aren't use to the idea of eating animals other than those normal ones... The sudden idea of it makes them feel afraid... There are still people out there who eat strange/weird stuff... "Fear Factor"... hahaha... As long as it is edible... Some people find maggot a delicacy...it is in the animalia kingdom after all... So, is insect counted as a kind of meat??

Whatever it is, we are capable of making a choice for ourself...
And even though I didn't know, I ate deer's meat before.. I saw ostrich's meat being sold in the market.. Turtle's eggs just turn me off... The snake's bile - I don't understand the rationale... Monkey's brain - speechless... Boiling bees in soup - I drank it, not like there's any difference, the water just filled up my stomach... Boiling seahorses in soup - same as previous... A pig's heart is on sale - I didn't know people eat that = =... Bear's paw - what is it for??
Scorpions are crunchy......

[aznkangaroo3]

I'm not saying eating exotic creatures is messed up, I am saying that valuing some animals over others is messed up

[Soladrin]

why is it messed up? are we not allowed to favor something anymore? we do the same with people? or are you saying that people are less then animals now :confused:

Why do people make a fuss about this anyway, they can think for themselves (most of them anyway) i like meat, and i wont eat cat or dog, period. if thats messed up, then a big part humanity is messed up :) so is the food chain btw, i never saw a shark turning vegi and eating sea weed ^_^

[midorika]

I'm not saying eating exotic creatures is messed up, I am saying that valuing some animals over others is messed up

Humans are messed up.
I am a total mess.
Conclusion - It's an interesting and wonderful world~:jap:

[Psychitsmike]

Wow, weird how i just happened to find this topic at 3am.

I've been trying to spread the word about Animal Abuse for about 6 yrs. Its not just animals like dogs and cats that are being abused. Go to Peta and Circuses.com or something like that. I know they had a hidden camera at Barnum and Bailey's where they showed a trainer using what is known as a Bullhook (google it) and telling them to tear the Elephants knees off. They were trying to make it do tricks. I can seriously write a mother fing essay about this (which I already have done). Then there is Greyhound racing which is disgusting, not because they run but because they are bred and placed in a small cage where they cant even turn around and have to sleep in their own ****. So the bacteria eat away at their skin and cause infection and then are told they arent fit to race and then sold to science labs or just inhumanely slaughtered and dumped in a pile. In the science labs they behead them and/or do other **** to them. They are many pictures showing exactly what i'm telling you. There are piles of headless greyhounds and dumpsters full of dead greyhounds from breeders.

Now the next huge animal abuse is China and their killing of dogs. They SKIN THEM ALIVE! I freaking still have flashes of the youtube video where this skinless dog is bloody and panting and blinks but there is only flesh and blood. Its like Resident Evil but real life and the dog doesnt have any skin on. But in China they view animals lower then ****.

Heres one link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ba5223yS5Rc

its not as graphic as others but its just as powerful. Be sure to share it with everyone. The first step to stopping **** like this is to get people aware of the problem

[midorika]

Haven't watch the video you shared... but hmmm... just what you written up there chilled my spines... It was indeed cruel of them to do so... and to do it while they are still alive.... For me, it's an unspeakable crime... That's just too over it... are they not human, and shouldn't they be more humane...
And I've heard about how there are some people who brutally beat newborn seals to death... not quite sure about the truth, but i think it is possible...

It's just sad that although we are given intelligence beyond any other creatures on earth could have, we are not doing things the right way... I think those people should really stop what they are doing to think and reflect upon their inhumane deeds.
However, I've just heard of this from my friend - about scarification... Creating tattoos by cutting out one's skin and flesh.. Bare them so when they heal, it forms the design wanted... beautifully that is... I'm just not sure if that's art anymore. It's just too bizarre for me...

[skots]

death to those who Abuse animals..!

[lightning90]

i for one someone who eat meat. if you kill animal for food, it's fine as long as you kill just the amount of meat you need.

about other animal abuse, aka pets, i've seen much torture to those poor little critters. i took a responsibility to take after the stray cat so nobody can harm them. but unfortunately i can't touch dogs. so cats is my only department right now.

i've forgotten how many times have i gotten into a fight just coz somebody kick,punch,throw(like you throw a baseball ball) cats and other small animals.
i do what they do to those animals, in turn their big bro, dad interfere.

they said "it's just a cat/dog/etc, there's no need to do that to these kids."
i reply, " i stab your kid, he'll bleed. i stab cats, they'll bleed. so what's the difference? i treat them the same way they treat animals. that's how they gonna learn to respect lives of other creature." and that always makes me looks like the bad guy.

who cares. i swear to give the same treatment to those who abuse animals for fun,joy,entertainment. and i've done so.

i can't stand why the animals are treated so lowly. humans aren't that high and mighty to treat other living creatures like a toy/trash.

so, death to the animal abuser.. be they a child, grown up, old people, or politician. i'll scrapped them myself if i have to.

[T.Y.]

HUnting, in my opinion, is just wrong when it is used to make fur coats or as a recreational activity and why do you need to hunt for food? can't go out to a store for two seconds to buy some beef? and pet owners who just wanted it for the heck of it is wrong to, if u aint taking a real good care of it you shouldn't have pets at all. Pet abuse is just sick, i mean would you go up to an old lady or a little kid and kick his/her head? NO, OF COURSE NOT? Even if they are animals, they are still living beings.

[p4091a]

i think the crux of the issue probably lies in the way the animals are treated before and when they're killed for whatever they're killed for...
what happens after they're dead is up to the manufacturers to decide.

killing them for their skin/meat etc is ok, but keeping them confined in tiny cages and mistreating them is definitely not.

[miniii]

Cloning animals and testing chemicals, drugs or medicine to animals i disagree with.
They should test it on people that want to die, they wana go, we want to test something new.
Farming of animals is kind of slack, they were born to be made into steak, kebabs etc.
But i still eat meat...
And they need to slow down on species with low numbers.

[saniya]

yea i think i agree even i feel sorta bad when i eat meat/chicken etc but thought tht since its a natural process so i guess tht guilt sorta moved out of me n talkin abt animal abuse the thing i dun like is mostly when birds are kept in cages:( they are soo beautiful and i think they belong in the sky so we shouldnt keep them in cages..

[Nie]

I think abuse is the intentional act of cruelty with the intent to make an animal suffer. That is just wrong, these animals trust and respect people, and some just turn around and beat or torture or starve these creatures. Sometimes all three. How would you react if a human was put in the same position? Thats what people need to think of when they hear of or see an animal being beaten to death violently. Just recently around where i live a guy set his dog on fire. I my self think he should be set on fire for a minuet or two and have to go through all the painful treatments to rehabilitate himself. Be scared and scared for the rest of his life. The worst part is, he only set the dog on fire because he was mad at his girlfriend.

[lightning90]

i agree with you nie..

but most people think they're higher and mightier than animals..
i've kicked ppl coz they kicked animals, other ppl sided with the ppl i kicked saying "they're just an animal.. it's no big deal if ppl kick them" ..

1 thing i used as my(and my animal friends) defense.. "if i stab you you'll bleed. if i stab them they'll bleed. what's the difference?" still they don't understand..

are we humans of any difference? yes.. animals kills to eat. we kills for fun.. that's it. other than that, to me, animal get kicked, the person kicking needs a kick..

[HurricaneRoad]

animal abuse is just sick..