The death penalty?

[krompt]

Ok so this is a mature debate, i encourage and advise that everyone's opinion and reasoning is respected. And please do not post here asking what is it or what exactly does it do. Find out then debate if you dont know.
Personally i'm against it and beilieve that no one has the right to take away the life of another.

[Yumemi]

i think so too, besides would't they suffer more by staying in prision the rest of their lives, you know they die and is all ended it has no point exept wen is a serial killer or some thing like that
and just yourself has the rigth to decide when to end your life right?

[krompt]

i think so too, besides would't they suffer more by staying in prision the rest of their lives, you know they die and is all ended it has no point exept wen is a serial killer or some thing like that

There is no way in my opinion, taking ones life can help any situation. Life in prison leaves a 1/million chance of surviaval out of jail, but there is none of that if their dead. And on a more relegious note i am christian and i am against such behavior.
Also i dont think we should judge a persons guilt by the (imperfect) judgement of humans, it basically like putting something imperfect to play a perfect role.

[Aeonsky]

Against it. Two reasons why:

1. What you said.
2. Life in prison is worse than the death penalty. For example: Richard Colvin Reid - the man who tried to blow up a commercial American jet was sentenced to life in prison in 2003. He is serving his sentence in ADX Florence - supermax prison in Colorado. His lives in a cell (with an area around 2 meters x 1 meter) and is allowed to see the light of the sun for only 1 hour a day. That is much better than the death penalty. It is true justice.

Fact about Reid, his full sentence consists of these:

1. Life in prison
2. Life in prison
3. Life in prison
4. 20 years in prison
5. 20 years in prison
6. 20 years in prison
7. 20 years in prison
8. 30 years in prison
9. 30 years in prison
10. 30 years in prison
11. 30 years in prison

That is almost 500 years!

[krompt]

Against it. Two reasons why:

1. What you said.
2. Life in prison is worse than the death penalty. For example: Richard Colvin Reid - the man who tried to blow up a commercial American jet was sentenced to life in prison in 2003. He is serving his sentence in ADX Florence - supermax prison in Colorado. His lives in a cell (with an area around 2 meters x 1 meter) and is allowed to see the light of the sun for only 1 hour a day. That is much better than the death penalty. It is true justice.

Fact about Reid, his full sentence consists of these:

1. Life in prison
2. Life in prison
3. Life in prison
4. 20 years in prison
5. 20 years in prison
6. 20 years in prison
7. 20 years in prison
8. 30 years in prison
9. 30 years in prison
10. 30 years in prison
11. 30 years in prison

That is almost 500 years!

Which we all know he won't be outliving XD

[Yumemi]

Against it. Two reasons why:

1. What you said.
2. Life in prison is worse than the death penalty. For example: Richard Colvin Reid - the man who tried to blow up a commercial American jet was sentenced to life in prison in 2003. He is serving his sentence in ADX Florence - supermax prison in Colorado. His lives in a cell (with an area around 2 meters x 1 meter) and is allowed to see the light of the sun for only 1 hour a day. That is much better than the death penalty. It is true justice.

Im agree about what you said, the death gives almost no suffering to the criminal

[Seijuro]

Technically life in prison is 25 years. Depending on the severity of hte crime the judge can either allow the the prison to serve them consectively or concurrently. I personally dont believe in the death penalty. Even if someone has caused genocide. Killing him isnt going to bring it back. And i am just against taking human life. All life is precious kind of idea is my idea. But there for the other side of the arguments there is many reasons for the death penalty. For those who have commited crimes so haneous people believe they should be put to death obviously. But also the cost crimnals who will spend all their life in the justice systems. those with no hope of rehablitation. the government put millions of dollars into our prisons every year. Many people believe for those people who are going to rot in jail anyway why should we waste our taxes on them. Also the death penalty should be used on repeat offenders. That was kind of a scattered messages sorry about that. I had a quote too but i forgot it. It is something like that quote about finding courage to live even amoung dire situations.

[penguinism]

every1 is taking a moral stand point or religious stand point, but no one is taking an economical stand point? it may or may not be worse for a person to spend life in prison but it is more expensive to have them in prison for life

on top of the expense, there is also the shortage of room, to build more prisons costs more money on top of what it would cost to pay for food, water, electricity, etc

sure if u want to bankrupt the country in order to keep some criminals alive, then yes the death penalty should be removed, but as i see it from an economical stand point the death penalty is fully justified

[Seijuro]

I like to live on moral standards thats what separates me from a being human from an animal. But i do believe we need a more econimcal way to handle criminals. I think ship them all to a desert island and let them try and live off the land..lol.. if only we had a death note and a creepy shinigami we could create the perfect world free from crime.

[penguinism]

I think ship them all to a desert island and let them try and live off the land..lol..
australia?

[Seijuro]

i was thinking some animal in micronesia inhabited by cannibals that way they could fit into the culture pretty easy.

[krompt]

Well it seems that we have a few debators on these forums:D

[Parina]

Usually I'm against it because Humans have not the right to take another Humans life but in the case of Saddam Hussein, I was for the Death Penalty.
(btw, I come from Iraq)

If he was still alive the people in Iraq wouldn't be content and they would start those stupid bomb-attacks.

the moslems also think that after life the hell would await saddam hussein.
it's written in the koran ^^;;
(not for saddam, but for evil people XD)

[Satralis]

I like to live on moral standards thats what separates me from a being human from an animal. But i do believe we need a more econimcal way to handle criminals. I think ship them all to a desert island and let them try and live off the land..lol.. if only we had a death note and a creepy shinigami we could create the perfect world free from crime.

u got the wrong conclusion from the anime lol...
imo the death penalty is only not good cause there is possibility that it can be used as a mean to make someone disappear... i mean noone is unmistaking so i think its better to lock everyone up cause this way if they are inncocent than one day it can be proven and its nice, but if they are accused falsely and get executed...than therse no return for them. And during rehabilitation they can still be of some use to the country...

[Yumemi]

every1 is taking a moral stand point or religious stand point, but no one is taking an economical stand point? it may or may not be worse for a person to spend life in prison but it is more expensive to have them in prison for life

on top of the expense, there is also the shortage of room, to build more prisons costs more money on top of what it would cost to pay for food, water, electricity, etc

sure if u want to bankrupt the country in order to keep some criminals alive, then yes the death penalty should be removed, but as i see it from an economical stand point the death penalty is fully justified

Well yeah is a problem in that way, if they were to remove the death penalty would be a economic and space problem to some countries, here is no Death Penalty anyways.


u got the wrong conclusion from the anime lol...
imo the death penalty is only not good cause there is possibility that it can be used as a mean to make someone disappear... i mean noone is unmistaking so i think its better to lock everyone up cause this way if they are inncocent than one day it can be proven and its nice, but if they are accused falsely and get executed...than therse no return for them. And during rehabilitation they can still be of some use to the country...

Well thats a good point that hapens a lot, to accuse inocents


I think ship them all to a desert island and let them try and live off the land..lol..

XD


i was thinking some animal in micronesia inhabited by cannibals that way they could fit into the culture pretty easy.

i like that idea XDD

[Seijuro]

i wasnt being serious about that. It was supposed to be a slighty sarcastic comment.

[Wolf]

You see I would not ban the death penalty outright but take it upon a case to case basis. The whole judicial system is in place so that we can come as close as we can to punishing someone fairly of their crimes. Is that system flawed? As long as it is administered by humans then yes. Why? No one is perfect.

I really do believe in treating others as I, myself, would want to be treated. Willingly acting on another individual in a fashion unwanted by that person should negate your protection against that same action(losely based). Though I also believe in attempting to fully understand and hopefully forgive a charged or convicted individual. However that individual must willingly plead their case in all truthfullness(which is sadly hard to find these days).

But damn if you go around killing people, skinning their faces off, and making a funny hat...you gotta go. Humanely or otherwise.

[Yumemi]

i wasnt being serious about that. It was supposed to be a slighty sarcastic comment.

i know that, was just too funny to ignore XD

[Seijuro]

true true funny thing is when i used to be in debate club somebody seriously suggest something like that.

[Satralis]

You see I would not ban the death penalty outright but take it upon a case to case basis. The whole judicial system is in place so that we can come as close as we can to punishing someone fairly of their crimes. Is that system flawed? As long as it is administered by humans then yes. Why? No one is perfect.

I really do believe in treating others as I, myself, would want to be treated. Willingly acting on another individual in a fashion unwanted by that person should negate your protection against that same action(losely based). Though I also believe in attempting to fully understand and hopefully forgive a charged or convicted individual. However that individual must willingly plead their case in all truthfullness(which is sadly hard to find these days).

But damn if you go around killing people, skinning their faces off, and making a funny hat...you gotta go. Humanely or otherwise.

well the face ripping, serial killer (*caugh* Gabishi *caugh*) should really be severly punished but as stated before, wouldnt it be a much more cruel punishment to let him rot in a cell for the remaining of his life not seeing the sun for years and such? I would go crazy...
About treating others as urself is too ideal for me cause noone thinks eactly the same and thus its hard to treat someone the same as myself when i know that his ideas and mine are different (i wouldnt kill and he would for egs.)... so basically i would determine the cause of the action but still wouldnt decide based on that... although in this aspect the law already makes a difference so its alright for me (although its hard to kill several ppl accidently)

[Saiha]

yeah i think so too that no one has the right to take someone elses right to live... but that depends though..

[krompt]

yeah i think so too that no one has the right to take someone elses right to live... but that depends though..

But it depends on what, c'mon state some resoning:p

[Saiha]

depends on the decision of the ones who are concerned.. for ex. if some family member got killed and the killer was caught dont you want some revenge? so thats why it depends on the person... i think hehe :D

[megami_yume]

after much thought, i would disapprove of the death penalty.
i am a christian after all.

i have watched the animé death note as well...

it showed that with the death of known criminals
potential wrongdoers would think twice knowing that they could die any minute...
(so the crime rate dropped...)

it might be good in a futuristic point of view but if we think about how many had to die first before people realised...
plus then, people will just be living in fear.

a world like what Raito/Light tried to create was after all idealistic.
and all was based on his own judgement.

in my opinion, i can say our justice system is not perfect.
[with such corrupt people around -_-]
but i can't think of a better way to achieve justice...
theologically speaking, the best way is to leave it all up to a supernatural being, God.
but in a more humanistic perspective, the best way would still be to have every party defend themselves...and let the jury decide.

but since i can say that our justice system is not perfect,
isn't it natural to give the convicted a chance to change his life?
even if it's life imprisonment, there's still hope as you live, right?

and to conclude,
no one has the right to judge a person;
no one has the right to take a life;

[playsafe]

I, for one, would not bother God with death penalties... There is no right or wrong answer for any question because all our answers are based on our experiences and cultures.
In my opinion, the death penalties should have situations where some cases it would be acceptable and others not. But then again, it would be hard to make specific requirements for the death penalties. We also have to take consideration of the supposed "criminal". The events that made that "criminal" commit crimes should be thought upon before sentencing. We do have that kind of leniency on children and mothers who had stressful lives and snapped.
It is impossible to find the right decision, but that's why we fight for our "ideal" answer. That's why we have this system of voting. But the voting system is flawed too, for it usually has only specific choices that might not fit the criteria of some opinions.

[busha]

Me personally im against is cus for example someone killed my brother for example (hope to god this never occurs) i would want them to suffer as much as possible and death would be way to easy for them

But put ur self in someone elses shoes who has lost a family the emotional trauma that u would be put through u would want that person dead even if normally u wouldn't no matter what the reason people change when they go through that kind of experience

[playsafe]

That's the thing. Our emotions get better of our judgments.
Wtf.... i got major and lag and posted twice. If you're not busy delete one post. Sorry.

[playsafe]

That's the thing. Our emotions get better of our judgments.

[busha]

Thats one of the things that makes humans so imperfect Not all decisions r based on logic and reason

Many r made while our judgment is clouded by Depression, anger joy ect

So as everyone said most people probly disagree with it but u cant say for sure how u decide in that kind of situation

[Katsuomori]

Sound like a cruel thing for some people's point of view but there's a purpose of such punishment being carried at certain countries. It's to discourage many from doing such a crime. Usually death sentence is carried out on serious crimes like smuggling drugs because due to this crime, many lives were lost... I'm saying innocent lives were lost. No authorities would want to put death sentence as a solution to decrease the number of such crimes being commited or preventing anyone from commiting such crimes, it's the irresponsible peoples who force and thus gave no choice for the authorities (after implimenting all sorts of methods, punishments and preventions starting from a to z) but to resort to using death sentences as the only main solution to prevent or discourage such serious crimes from happening. Well... I have many more reasons to support this death sentence though I don't want to but in the end, it's the people who cause such punishment to be carried out in some countries.

Well, about the outcome after most countries uses death sentences as a punishment for commiting serious crimes (eg: Drug Smuggling), number of people commiting such crimes have decreased considerably a lot than expected.

[midorika]

Personally, I don't mind death penalty...
It has been going on for soooo long...
It's like just another way for people to die...
People have to die in the end..
To die because they committed a serious crime proves that they existed and did something terribly wrong... there's some history to learn about thus~
People did managed to learn from it, most should...

To keep them in prison for life, would be torturing them psychologically...
We want to be humane? Then, that's the way? Not killing them off immediately? I would say that to torture people for life is worse than killing them in an instance... Don't let our emotions get the better of us.. to avenge or whatever, don't...
If only the world could be so perfect - when A murdered B, B's friend, C chose to forgive and a regretful A changed to become a better person... - well yeah, it's not like this is impossible... It's just that this is a big world, with hundreds of countries in it... It takes time to change something this (considerably) big a deal...
Can ALL be so forgiving and successfully ceases crime in the long run?

>Okay, that above is referring to criminals who are sentenced to death and really deserved it. I have multiple point of views, not all in the same direction though... More later...

[Soladrin]

well ill make it simple, i approve of the death penalty (though we dont have one here in Holland) the thought of criminals living of taxes in a place where they are safer from the crowd then outside, is not a good one for me. Also, i agree with the, dump them on an island idea, just make sure theres no trees
so they cant make a boat ^^, or put water mines around it.. either way is fine with me :)

[playsafe]

Ugh. What if the criminal was falsely accused? There are so many factors concerning the criminals that it's too hard to decide whether it is right or not. So our morals decide everything. Logic doesn't really apply here and i think there should be no death penalty.

[Katsuomori]

Well from where I'm currently staying... death penalty is no stanger in our law. Since laws had been strcitened and death penalty is implimented in most serious crimes more commonly to drug smuglers. No matter if the person is a victim or being used as a tool to deliver drugs or directly involved in making drugs (or smugling them) in a certain amount of drugs... will be given a death penalty. Since then, the number of crimes involving drugs had been decreased reasonably very well than expected. I do feel pity for the falsly accused but on the same time... it thought all of us to be cautious with the people around you especially when comes to baggage. No one must touch your belongings except yourself.

It would be great if everyone would just forgive one another and repent... but it doesn't work this way anymore in this world... it never will be because we are humans. In fact the parents of all those victims whose sons or daughters died being murdered or draged into drugs would surely feel revengeful (well some aren't that way) and would want the ones responsible to die.

[midorika]

It would be great if everyone would just forgive one another and repent... but it doesn't work this way anymore in this world... it never will be because we are humans. In fact the parents of all those victims whose sons or daughters died being murdered or draged into drugs would surely feel revengeful (well some aren't that way) and would want the ones responsible to die.

Yep yep, that's right~
Imagine if the perfect world does exists...

[Soladrin]

i dont want a perfect world, a perfect world would be boring

[midorika]

did u read my mind?? haha... yeah, dead boring...
it is fantastic just how it is right now~~
I'm waiting for something more exciting and weird and definitely extraordinary to happen...

death penalty can go on.

[playsafe]

A world doesn't need to have a death penalty for a fun world ><

[chrono]

Ugh. What if the criminal was falsely accused?

Then the law just didn't work and I would feel badly for the family involved. But this mainly happens because the officials simply don't care and feel no or very few repercussions if they were wrong.

However even if the law is badly flawed the penalty should remain in effect.

Besides I'd rather see equal punishment between men and women first. Especially between the murderer, rapist, drunk driver, and pedo. You've got a variety of additional public punishment for drunk drivers, pedo's, and rapists. But none for the murderer. Damnnit, where's my deaths head liscense plates and the warning that a murderer is coming into my neighborhood!!!!

[Katsuomori]

Yep yep, that's right~
Imagine if the perfect world does exists...

Well... just as what Solardin said... if the world and it's people are perfect... it would be rather boring that way.

[ikki-08]

Well... just as what Solardin said... if the world and it's people are perfect... it would be rather boring that way.

Yeah no one wants the world to be perfect because there would be no indivisualism, but the big matter is with the dath penalty is the money. Most of the time they don't kill these bastards is becuase its cost three times as much to kill other thgan keeping them alive. not just for the drugs but also for the court cases, jury, and on and on...

[Wolf]

Due to recent events I am leaning more and more to the pro death penalty side. Someone/someones going out with the intention to hurt an innocent do so with the end result of killing that innocent. Do you think those aggressors ever would, ever could atone for their acts? How could they ever be forgiven?

I just don't think I have it in my heart love and let live. Hell is all I wish upon them for eternity. I can't help but thinking that makes me something worse than they.

[Katsuomori]

It depends on the court on what punishment that they should imply on the criminal ased on how serious is his offence. Anyway, this kind of stuff had been studied and thought of very seriously before it's applied in the law.

[kazekage36]

Due to recent events I am leaning more and more to the pro death penalty side. Someone/someones going out with the intention to hurt an innocent do so with the end result of killing that innocent. Do you think those aggressors ever would, ever could atone for their acts? How could they ever be forgiven.
for the majority of the convicts, they prolly won't think what they did is wrong. In my opinion, the death penalty is too easy on them. some of the crimes they commit are worse than a quick death. the only problem is that if you don't have the death penalty, all the maximum security cells will get filled up, and we tax payers will have to pay more in taxes to fund the construction of more cells, as well as the necessary resources to keep them alive.

[midorika]

Actually... might as well just get rid of bad people once and for all...
Study their psycho for a bit and then determine if they should just be terminated.. otherwise, if they possess the chance to return to being normal and good, then yeah... let them live a couple of years in jail.. Monitor them during that period, and let their performance and behaviour be the final result...
Death penalty no doubt... go ahead...
I've read this short story on how in this fantasy world, the person who kills another will die as well. Now, if only our world work this way... wouldn't that be a little bit more wonderful?
Just a thought. ^^

[Setsuna]

Well, we aren't as barbaric as we were during the era of the Roman Empire. We can't just say, "an eye for an eye", is okay now. We have advanced far past that. Besides, what is a crueler way to die, getting electricuted or suffering in a jail cell until you wither away into nothing?

[chrollo]

it kinda seems pointless knowing there going to spend the rest of their lives in jail which is pretty much as good as being dead plus i still think theirs something they can do to make the world a better place and if you dont want to have to pay taxes to keep a killers in jail then thats like making prison into the same thing as a dog pound

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

I've always been split on this. In my eyes human life is the most important thing in the world. I believe that no one, has the right to take human lives. Many of these people die on deathrow and then its realized later that they were actually innocent. Our system is flawed regardless of what we choose to do or not to do. Firstly, many prisons aren't even owned by the federal government, they have private ownership. What prison really is, is a correctional facility, CORRECTIONS, which means what? To help people realize what they've done wrong and make them change there ways to be acceptable to society once again. Many bring up the point, "what about the people who don't change or have mental issues?" These are the people deemed un returnable to society, these people need serious medical help, put in medical institutions. the other thing people always talk about is the cost. The government wastes billions on useless garbage like "national security" the current amount of spending on the war is more than 454 billion dollars.

[MakubeX687]

I've always been split on this. In my eyes human life is the most important thing in the world. I believe that no one, has the right to take human lives. Many of these people die on deathrow and then its realized later that they were actually innocent. Our system is flawed regardless of what we choose to do or not to do. Firstly, many prisons aren't even owned by the federal government, they have private ownership. What prison really is, is a correctional facility, CORRECTIONS, which means what? To help people realize what they've done wrong and make them change there ways to be acceptable to society once again. Many bring up the point, "what about the people who don't change or have mental issues?" These are the people deemed un returnable to society, these people need serious medical help, put in medical institutions. the other thing people always talk about is the cost. The government wastes billions on useless garbage like "national security" the current amount of spending on the war is more than 454 billion dollars.

I know this might stray off topic...but you said that to you human lives are most important...I'm pretty sure that this isn't a concept shared by only you. However...how do you feel about murder due to self defense? Was it unintentional? Does it matter? This concept in it's self is going against the constitution's "All men are created equal." in a sense that one life is more valuable than another. Example: The president's life is more valuable than, dare I say it, 1000+ lives. Personally I find this concept an out-rage just for the simple fact that I could go on a murderous spree claiming that my life is more valuable than everyone else's.(Satire-ish) Also, what is considered murder? Webster's dictionary answers this question with the response of "The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought." Question: Are soldiers who kill considered murderers? IMO Yes they are. Even if it was deemed 'lawful' in a sense that they are protecting their nation, taking a life is still taking a life. Intoxicational man-slaughter...I'm confident that everyone is aware of what that is. So what's the difference between being intoxicated from alcohol and being intoxicated from adrenalin? You are aware of what you're doing most of the time in both cases...only difference is cause. I am starting to ramble, so let me end my rant with a quick statement.
Our government bends all concepts, beliefs, etc. to fit their needs/liking. Most of the world(especially america) has yet to recognize the fact that they have been groomed to accept their nation's ideals... Whatever ._.

[Wolf]

Quite frankly I would care less if those responsible for my friend's death rot in prison. I'm more for the bound, gagged, and slit throat kind of death penalty for them. Cheap, terrifying, and effective. Taking another's life voids the right to their own.

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

wolf, who would be the one to kill that person? and you say taking a life voids there own? All these soldiers in the war are taking lives everyday, so now all there lives don't mean anything? Same goes with police. If you kill the person who took your friends life is your friend going to come back? What, do you get satisfaction from seeing the bastard dead? How much better does that make you from the guy who killed your friend? The man that killed your friend, is still a man, taking somones life does not change who they are. These people still have families and friends.

[Katsuomori]

Soilders takes the lives of their enemy for king and country. Police had to kill someone if that someone will not restrain themselve to following the police orders. That thing is called "you'll either kill the person or you'll be killed instead".

It's true that if someone kills your friend or someone close to you, you'll never get them back though you heart is filled with rage as you want that man responsible to be killed. Still, the law is made to protect people and to bring justice of which many failed to do so with their own hands. Likewise, a punishment like the death penalty is needed to strike fear among the people and with hope that they will never do such a thing (like drug smuggling or mass murder) at all. You may think it's impossible... but at some countries that uses death sentences on certain punishment depending on how serious it is, that crime rate decreases in to an expection where other punishments failed to do.

[Wolf]

Katsuomori your response is really close to what I was going to post so I don't think I have to reiterate on much. The last sentence in my previous post is actually from John Locke's Second Treatise of gov't wherein the gross inbalance in loss of life is supposed to be balanced by government.

Ofcourse there are infinite variables that go into creating a situation where a person takes the life of another. Soldiers go to war knowing that they may have to give the ultimate sacrifice for what they believe to be right. Soldiers are sent out when politicians fail to talk things out. Same with the police, they are out there to uphold the law and protect the innocent. Killing is a last recourse for them. They are not neutral in any situation. They put themselves in danger's way for what they believe knowing that it could get them killed.

My friend was walking back to his dorm from his brother's apartment when he was beaten to death by 3 men who were out on the town to hurt someone. Now you can go ahead and try to tell me what good f**king reason they had to kill him. Go ahead and tell me why I can't hear him laugh or see him smile again? I will never see him again because they wanted to "hurt" someone. You can talk about the mental anguish they would go through rotting away in prison. It doesn't even cast a shadow on the torture his mother feels right now.

To put it frankly it would give me satisfaction to see those 3 die. It would give me pleasure to do it myself. And it's those thoughts that make me worse than those that killed my friend. Really I think it makes me a monster and not a man. But the fact is that I will not see them dead. Hell they won't even be in prison long enough to get raped a few times. There's your precious justice system at work. My friend's life is done, his friends' and family's is tormented, and those who are responsible get to the sun rise on a brand new day.

[ShadowCrusader]

I believe in death penalty but then I wonder in the practical application of it. Due to our constitution, ie the amendment 8 which says excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. The main problem with our system is that we need to find a way to kill the person without using a cruel and unusual way. This is why the gas chamber was thrown out along with the electric chair and the firing squad. There are arguements stating that the poison they inject hurts is along that line also. So what do we do?

I believe that we should do what britain tried to do and create a island situated for sentenced criminals. I really dont care if they are life in prison and kept in solitary or killed in whatever form. But the reason is that in international waters, we are not bound by anything and since prisons are already privatized why not? The criminals in the system are a substantial drain upon our government. We build facilities for them, hire staff, cook meals, etc.

[saniya]

i do agree wid krompt and i would like to say is tht killing overall is not gud
be it death sentences or murdering ppl its just sad tht we make decisions soo rashly...n okay bootcamp is better but dont u think tht a mad man becomes worse in such situations??like even if u arent tht crazy u become one?.......true tht only through punishments can we learn but killing is extreme form of a lesson and thts just tryin to close the matter without seeing wat more can be done this is hard work but then nothings easy in life dosent mean we make foolish decisions and play god?....

[HurricaneRoad]

in some cases i think death penalty is a good thing because when its some seriel killers that have killed a dosens of people i think its allright because they know that they are gonna stay in prison for the rest of their lifes.. but anyway in my country they have removed the death sentance, because they thould it was a bit too drastic..

[p4091a]

bah. I did an essay on the justifications for the death penalty and killing in general... Sg has the death penalty, got into a big row with Australia because of it once. >.>

I support the death penalty. Purely for reasons like the overcrowding of prisons and the danger some criminals pose to society.

The death penalty is there for deterance; if you choose to commit the crime knowing full well you are running afoul of the law, you damn well deserve it. I mean, the death penalty mostly applies for very serious crimes, not for stuff like shoplifting. Besides, it's not like we're toturing them.

However, I can foresee that it will be repealed more or less in the future, with all the human right activists being more and more vocal.

[Nie]

Putting people to death makes us no better than them. It makes us equal to them in commiting crimes, if thats the case the people who scentenced them to death should also be sent to death and so on. I don't believe anyone has the right to choose who is worthy to live or die. Life in prison is a better punishment anyways, all they have to do all day is reflect on what they did. It will haunt them for the rest of their misserable lives.

[p4091a]

erm, but logistically its better to have a death penalty. Cos Sg really has no space to build more prisons. Landfills>prisons. We're a pragmatic bunch. Perhaps its would be different if there was more land. Maybe.

....I don't really believe all of them would repent. Please remember, death penalty is for very very very serious crimes, so much so that we Sg ppl don't even see people put to death that often.

I went to go check up on the crimes that warrant the death penalty. (In Singapore)

Its mostly for stuff like drugs trafficking, and murder.

(The Singapore embarkation card contains a warning to visitors about the death penalty for drug trafficking. Murder; well, you ought to know.)

Most drug traffickers aren't half as innocent as they make themselves to be. Why does Sg have such a low drug abuse rate? Why are we unafraid of walking the beaches barefooted, of the possibilities that one might step on a contaminated needle? Simple; people don't even dare to bring drugs in, or manufacture them here. It has been announced loud and clear over the past decade that Sg's death penalty will NOT change, you dare to bring in drugs? Then you jolly well face the death penalty.

Looking through the list of crimes, one can tell that are mediated crime; aka. you planned before committing them, knowing full well you are bringing harm to someone. Repent? I don't think so. Regret being careless and being caught? Definitely.

About the point of being no better than them... If that's the way you see it, I shall willingly carry the name of a murderer, knowing that doing so benefits my country. I don't tear their families apart (This would have happened the moment the crime was done/revealed) I don't threaten the general public. I don't drag people's lives down.

P.S. Sorry if I sound too blunt and offensive, but I'm rather passionate about this subject. >.<

[midorika]

Exception is one of the greatest rules that I have in mind.

Killing off people who committed crime should really warn the others to refrain themselves from "going against the lawsss"....
But we don't see it as very effective isn't it.

[p4091a]

*waves hand*

None in Sg.

>.>
*is aware of how annoying she is*

[LoveLess]

People say they are against the death penalty, but we are paying more and more taxes to keep these people locked away. Yet you complain about taxes. People are digging holes, then jumping right in them after their done.